So huge that Ichigo could not even CUT him.
The same Ichigo who had just beat 2 of the more powerful Lts in SS.
Unless your going to tell me that the other VCs have WAY more reatsu than them?
This was a version of Ichigo who only had shikai, and even then only had access to a small amount of Zangetsu's power because he hadn't learned to work together with him yet. And even with that much of a handicap, Kenpachi couldn't beat him. And he removed his eyepatch, so none of that "holding back" bull.Originally Posted by BadAzzKenpachi74
Reiatsu=/=strength. Not to mention... http://www.mangapanda.com/94-570-9/b...apter-116.html "This guy's spirit pressure is as strong or even stronger than that Zaraki guy."Quote:
As for Kenpachi "fighting" Komamura and Tousen at the same time, that never happened. Komamura never resorted to Bankai and had no injuries. Their fight was little more than a spat. And during he and Tousen's actual fight, the only reason he managed to defeat him is because Tousen somehow felt decapitating Kenpachi while he was blinded wasn't a good idea.
Last edited by ninjabot; February 02, 2014 at 08:55 PM.
it was obvious Kenpachi was holding back up until Ichigo almost died and had to get all of Zangetsu's power.
And he did not remove the eyepatch until AFTER Ichigo got the huge boost from Zangestsu.
Before that Ichigo wasn't able to do nothing against Kenpachi in the slightest, I dare you to go back and show me a page where before Ichigo got that huge boost in power from Zangetsu he was able to give Kenpachi a fight.
otherwise don't throw the word "bull" around so carelessly.
Kenpachi sliced through his sword like butter and pretty much almost killed Ichigo, where the hell you got the idea that Ichigo was still only working with a small amount of Zangetsu's power is beyond me, guess the mind sees what it wants to see.
But your free to go back and find the pages and prove me wrong.
Because as the page here shows,
Zangestu gave Ichigo ALL of his power for that short period of time, before that he was nothing to Kenpachi and as I said before your free to pull up a page and prove me wrong here.
Last edited by BaddAzzKenpachi74; February 02, 2014 at 09:28 PM.
How does that change anything? Wasn't the end result that Ichigo at his full strength, and Kenpachi at his full strength, fought, and it was a draw? Yes. That's what happened. And this was still not a bankai version of Ichigo either. This means that patchless, serious Kenpachi is weaker than Shikai Ichigo because Ichigo had already suffered severe injuries from Kenpachi and then got back up before fighing him to a draw. If they both started that fight as strong as they were at the end, Ichigo would've defeated Kenpachi soundly.Originally Posted by BadAzzKenpachi74
So wait, your proof that Kenpachi is a "BadAzz" is the fact that he managed to kick Ichigo's ass while he had no access to the full amount of his power?Quote:
You're making my argument for me, lol.
You apparently stopped reading the fight after Kenpachi knocked Ichigo down the first time, from cutting through his sword. That was before he was using the full amount of Zangetsu's power proven by the fact that he had to start fighting Shirosaki to regain the right to use Zangetsu.Quote:
And then what he says here: http://www.mangapanda.com/94-567-9/b...apter-113.html http://www.mangapanda.com/94-567-10/...apter-113.html
They didn't power up until AFTER Ichigo got back up from having his sword "cut through like butter".
At the end when Ichigo started using the full amount of his power (against Kenpachi's full power too) he cut through Kenpachi's sword was broken, and he fell. It took everything he had to finish a foe who was already severely injured. http://www.mangapanda.com/94-567-18/...apter-113.html
I call it a draw because Ichigo was knocked out, but the fact that Kenpachi's sword was broken is proof that he was in worse condition.
You think because Kenpachi while holding back was able to beat Ichigo who wasn't at full strength somehow makes him a beast, and that's your prerogative. But the true test of strength is who comes out on top when both are going all out. And the fact that Kenpachi could only muster up a draw against an opponent who wasn't even Bankai level is proof that if he had fought any other captain in a serious fight he simply wouldn't measure up. He did against Tousen, but that's only because Tousen toyed with him the entire fight.
For fucks sake, did you even read my previous post?
Guess I was right about you, your mind only sees what it WANTS to see.
I never disputed the fact that he managed a draw with Ichigo in the end, if you had actually read my previous post here you would know that
But nooooooo, you have to be mr right huh?Quote:
My whole point earlier with Impossibility was not challenging his fight with Ichigo, but proving that Kenpachi would not get beat by the majority of Soul Society's lieutenants.
I used Ichigo as a measuring stick BEFORE he got the boost from zangestu and had just beat Renji and Ikkaku to prove my point.\
You then replied with this unnecessary post
Which had nothing to do with my point I was making towards Impossibility and NOT YOU.Quote:
Not to mention you where wrong since Kenpachi was easily destroying that Ichigo that only had small amount of Zangetsu's power pretty easily.
And did NOT remove his eyepatch until IChigo had drawn out ALL of Zangetsu's power.
I know how that fight ended, I called it a draw in my previous post, I NEVER said otherwise and yet your here trying to convince me of some shit I never denied in the first place.
As I said you did not even bother to read my posts beforehand when replying to them, otherwise you would have known that my point was not to make Kenpachi out as a beast for beating a weak Ichigo, but to prove that he was able to pwn somebody who had just beat 2 lieutenants not to long before hence why I did not agree with Impossibility's point from earlier about most of the lieutenants in SS being able to take Kenpachi.
But hey, you had to find something to rage at me over right?
What the hell is your problem?
Do you love Impossibility or something?
Last edited by BaddAzzKenpachi74; February 03, 2014 at 12:03 PM.
That being said, your argument amounts to Ichigo used all of the power he could take from Zangetsu at the time to take on Kenpachi, but that power was weak to put it bluntly compared to what Ichigo would later utilise. That same Ichigo was absolute fodder to Byakuya, and by every right should've been the same against most of SS's elite, if everyone didn't decide to become useless when facing him. Much in the same way that Kenpachi's opponents decide to take him on in close-quarters, on his terms, regardless of whether the alternative would be the obviously better option. The only thing is that you've shown that an Ichigo in shikai, unable to draw out his power, had difficulty cutting Kenpachi. You haven't shown what that has to do with the VCs or the Captains who have no such problem and possess a skillset far more extensive than Ichigo at the time; primarily Shunpo and Kido. What would stop a VC from using Shunpo, Kido, and long-range attacks to bring down that iteration of Kenpachi?
Which you failed at making, because you kept resorting to what Kenpachi was capable of doing to Ichigo while Ichigo wasn't at full strength. Impossibility's (and my own) point to you is that the VCs and other captains all have abilities and combat options greater than what Ichigo had in his employ, and Ichigo STILL fought Kenpachi to a draw. If he can do it with less strength and abilities than they can, then they can do it too, if not faster and with less difficulty.Originally Posted by BadAzzKenpachi74
You're right that Kenpachi managed to defeat Ichigo easily BEFORE Ichigo was on equal footing, but that just proves our point even further.
Unless your going to set here and tell me that the other vice Captains can pwn Renji and Ikkaku just as easily as Kenpachi did Ichigo before the powerup than you have no freaken point.
Same goes for Impossibility.
whatever, I'm done, nothing your saying is getting through to me and its obvious nothing I'm saying is getting through to you guys so why waste any more of our time?
I haven't made a post in years but I'll make now.
Byakuya vs Zaraki
Why do people even want to do a fight like this, especially with the recent completely overpowered feats of Zaraki which outclass Final Getsuga Ichigo by a mile.
Anyway let's compare feats here from Zaraki in his current form WITH his eye-patch.
Destructive force : Large Meteorite which travel at hypersonic speeds. The meteorite that Gremmy created has the destructive force to obliterate the entire crust of planet earth. That by itself DWARFS anything that Bleach has shown. He obliterated this giant meteorite in a single swing.
Speed : When he was still a child he blitzed Unohana and stabbed her in the chest before she could even understand what was going on. Shunpo is irrelevant to someone that can run at speeds that even Soi Fon would be jelly. He jumped several kilometers to destroy the meteorite in an instant which make him at least hypersonic and faster than Yoruichi multiple hundred times. (It took yoruichi several hours-days? to run across SS just to show a perspective)
Defensive capabilities : He was fighting in tip-top shape while having a 10-15 cm hole in his abdomen and multiple deep stabs in his entire body. He withstood outer space for a small time, he tanked multiple small-size nuclear explosions face on. Oh did I say he tanked them with his eye-patch? Needless to say that Zaraki has shown the greatest tanking abilities in the anime.
Anyway It's getting out of hand. Zaraki was the only captain that completely demolished 3x Sternritters on his weakened form while using his eyepatch. On his empowered form while still using the eyepatch he defeated the strongest sternritter, the one that made every single quincy shit themselves with his demonstrations of power. Zaraki is a special war potential, Byakuya isn't. Even the captain-commander admits that the fate of this war pretty much depends on Zaraki and even when we saw Zaraki getting almost killed by the ambush attack of the 4 female sternritters , everyone rushed to help him because he is the only one that can fight the strongest sternritters and win.
Anyway.. It's a no contest win for Zaraki. He can TANK everything Byakuya can throw at him, completely overpower his bankai by reiatsu burst alone and kill him in a hit or two even with his eye-patch and not being serious. Full bloodlusted Kenpachi without eye-patch and using two handed Nozarashi would reduce byakuya into goo in less than a nano-second.
p.s Zaraki went against plot-armor Ichigo and won. He is simply that broken as a character guys.
Byakuya's improved powers have not been shown and will obviously be used in a coming battle. Having been easily handled by As Nodt (as Kenny was by fake-Bach), I very much doubt Byakuya's going to be a kitten on the battlefield. And just because the enemy didn't count him as a SWP doesn't mean that Byakuya will not play an important role in the upcoming fights. Kubo has built up Byakuya as Kenny's 'frenemy' for a reason. Both men are beasts on the battlefield, although they fight very differently. And who doesn't love their banters while they fight alongside each other? The two are funny as hell. Who cares whose got more power and whose got more finesse. They're both cool, powerful characters who are a joy to watch.
(Something else to consider is that Yamamoto WAS NOT a SWP, so not being one does not mean that Byakuya is less powerful, just that the enemy doesn't anticipate him being as much of a danger to them as Kenpachi. And pre-royal realm powerup, that was certainly true. We don't know Byakuya's potential threat level yet. I suppose we'll find out soon.)
Last edited by Firebird0ne; June 10, 2014 at 07:31 PM.
Your post in it's present state can't really be addressed...full of too many fallacies . Zaraki is strong but get real and btw...he didn't defeat Ichigo...he drew with him. He fought at full power and drew...and that version of Ichigo was very weak in the grand scheme of things.