So let's talk, you guys. Which is which?
I've been defending Kishi pretty fervently lately. Partly because of the sheer negativity on the forums lately, but also because I feel like there's a misunderstanding between different types of bad writing. Let's get this out of the way: I don't know if it's executive meddling or Kishi himself, but Kishi is fucking terrible at pacing. He'll stretch out things that don't need to last for 50 chapters but will gloss over things his fans have been drooling over for 300 chapters, or off-panel certain fights that seem utterly unfair to the reader to off-panel. While this is bad sequential art, it's not necessarily bad writing. In a lot of ways, I feel like Naruto would be better off as a series of light novels... despite the fact that my entire future has been engineered by Kishi in the direction of comic-author (because of his art, no less)... and the fact that I can't read a story without a sequence of pictures... but I digress.
There is a difference between asspull and poor execution... I'm just not sure anymore where one ends and the other begins, which is the point of this thread. Can you admit when you're just being impatient for the week-by-week plot to move forward, or have you honestly uncovered an example of irrevocable bullshit on Kishi's part? I think the distinction is important if I'm going to keep reading this forum, because the posts have been pretty diluted with mindless cynicism lately, even at chapters that don't deserve it.
Last edited by badluckartist; January 23, 2014 at 06:50 PM.
example of a plothole:
no matter how much kishi tried to serve the fanboys, the revelation itself was full of plotholes
using ms powers to slip through the boulders before he awakened ms
i dont watch cartoons, but probably the voices are inconsistent as well, and i wouldnt be surprised why
etc etc etc
I believe that he awakened it back then, he close to death and all... and he "lost" his love - or Madara just lied to him. When it comes to certain things we REALLY need to see Madaras story, what he did behind the shadows, if he was involved with Rins death and other events...
And obito... I really believe it was planned right from the beginning, at least from the Kakashi gaiden on, but Kishi overdid it with the hints and so he wanted to lure us readers away from that theory. It wasn't the best way, but I always thought that Obito would be Tobi, it just fitted perfectly... and since we saw Hashi and Tobirama, I expected to see Madara at some Point as well...
As far as pacing and bad writing goes, I wrote this in one of the episode discussions. Asspulls on the other hand is something I don't like to discuss because the etiquette befalls the matter which is not liked by the readers. It all comes down to an opinion.Quote:
The biggest plot hole in the manga so far for me at least is the akatsuki rings. They were supposed to be important.... Orochimaru kept his and that was supposedly an issue for akatsuki IIRC and zetsu went out of his way to look for one a while back (I think it was deidara's). So... what is the deal here? Kishi just forgot about those altogether.
He also forgot about "that jutsu" (we never got the official confirmation on what exactly that was, we only guessed) and the unique unknown Mangekyou Sharingan power you supposedly get when you awaken it.
Example of an asspull (or, to say it more politely, a bad Deus ex Machina): Izanagi. Kishi pulled it out of his ass, just so that Tobi wouldn't die in Konan's explosive tags.
Obito is a plothole. We're not supposed to explain what Madara's words about him "slipping through boulders" meant - Kishi is, and he doesn't do that. He just throws an obfuscated poor excuse of an explanation. Obito's motivation is also worth less than the shit that's always on Spiral Zetsu's mind. The hair was never explained, and the power is just attributed to the magical potion of the whole war arc, Hashirama's cells.
Originally Posted by GLaDOS
I.e.: It was mentioned more than once that Orochimaru left Akatsuki 7 and 10 years ago in Part I and II respectively. It has also been made clear that he has been part of Akatsuki at the same time as Itachi, and even mentioned he was the reason he left when Itachi was introduced, which would make Itachi 10 at the time. That's not just ridiculous, but according to Tobi, Itachi joined Akatsuki after the massacre of the clan, and we even got to see a grown-up Itachi fighting Orochimaru dressed-up as an Akatsuki.
That's a huge ass plot hole, which was there since Part I. Apparently Kishimoto messed up when mixing up the backstories of a 50 years old with that of a teen.
Last edited by Fox666; January 24, 2014 at 11:08 PM.