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In order to win but produce no harm you must be truly above your enemy, we saw her parrying with Suleiman and avoiding his attacks but even with her ally(s) she couldn't take any of the bigshots and you may say that she got not enough time to do so but in the same panels she was fighting Suleiman, Bellamy took someone we knew the name of (Tank Lepanto). She was struggling already thus she is not strong enough to defeat those opponents with that style.
Even so lets say that you are right, its still luck that she won, because simply Cavendish slept, as I said she is not the strongest one in her block but she still won so she was lucky, its as simple as that. I'm not saying she is weak but she is not the strongest one in her block and all the circumstances that happened in the block D played in her favor.
Oda has conveyed it countless times in One Piece, strength does not solely determine who the victor in a fight is. Determining who the victor of each Block would be based on just strength goes against what Oda has conveyed in the past 735 chapters. The circumstances of the arc are the determining factors in which the victor of a fight/battle is decided. Oda even had a [significant] character expressly state that it isn't strength/fighting ability alone which determines victory:
Even if Cavendish had gotten up and continued to attack, he wouldn't have won. This arc had structured itself around Rebecca serving a key role and being defeated in the D Block would go against that, she would win regardless if Cavendish attacked her a thousand times - Rebecca has the power of being a main arc character. More then "luck", it is the circumstances of the arc which determined Rebecca to be the winner as she is one of the main players in this Dressrosa Arc, up there with Luffy and Doflamingo in importance.
If Oda see's it as necessary for Rebecca to win the Corrida Colosseum and/or receive the Mera Mera no Mi, then that is what would happen regardless of whether she is not the strongest contestant in the final Colosseum match. The Mera Mera no Mi will likely go to Sabo, but I can see Oda working out a situation in which Rebecca retains her "Undefeated" status and wins the Corrida Colosseum battle.
She saw through Cavendish's attack and dodged it. Definitely not luck, especially since she's undefeated in the arena. By the way, Barto also won because he saw through Elizabello's attack and blocked it with a barrier, while it took out everyone else, including Elizabello himself. So both he and Rebecca won in very similar ways. And Cavendish and Elizabello lost in similar ways. So the most we can say for sure is that if Cavendish didn't go to sleep, it would've been a longer fight. If you want to call that luck, I guess you can go ahead. Sabo didn't call it luck, though. I think he'd know (Doflamingo wasn't there and was doing the "I'm-a-villain-and-talking-down-to-the-good-guys" bit that villains do).
Even if we cannot compare the strength in one piece but there is a limit to that, I can accept people discussing who is stronger between Luffy and Law or Luffy and DD but to go and say Rebecca is stronger than Cavendish and deserves her win is just not acceptable.
Also, what constitutes 'having a very hard time' and 'fodders' in this scenario? Rebecca was still in and still untouched when Hakuba appeared. The only actual fodder we saw her fighting were the ones she despatched with consummate ease. Unless you're implying that the named characters in block D are also 'fodders' in which case I would ask: 'fodder for whom?' and 'how can you substantiate that with evidence?'
As for Spartan, again you're substantiating an argument with assumptions, in this case that the reason she was bullied was because she was too weak to defeat Spartan. We don't know the nature of the bullying that took place, so there's nothing to back up your claims except your own beliefs.
Yeah, let's everyone remember Spartan when it comes to Rebecca being "Weak", cause it's not like Dressrosa hates her guts and Spartan being a Sexist (and Muscle Brained) and even tried to "bully" Luffy right?Not to forget it's OoC for Rebecca to hurt anyone.
And "Get's smashed by Luffy in less than a punch", sorry but what?IT'S LUFFY.What he does means nothing considering his power.
Goddammit, everywhere I go People pull out this Spartan crap cause apparently they think bullying automatically equates to beating the crap out of someone.
She's just the "Root of all Evil" for people on Dressrosa, and in this case Spartan was also a guy who believed a Gladiator has to be a like 4m tall muscle mountain of a man.
You people have a twisted definition of "Struggling", apparently "Struggling" now equates to:Quote:
"Dodging EVERY single one of the opponents attacks".
Yeah, Suleiman didn't get a single hit in.That's not struggling especially when her fighting style is based upon an Martial Art which is all about finding the right moment and position to counter.
And for the billionth time, calling her weak is a freaking insult to everyone who practices Aikido, it's all defense with 0 offense but pure counter with the purpose to not hurt anyone.
But yeah, I suppose for most people only busting things equates to strong.That's purely simple minded.
Last edited by Beatrice; January 28, 2014 at 06:23 AM.
I can't believe this thread is really so necessary! As if the discussion in the prediction thread wasn't enough already.
Here's a ton of lucky things happening.
Rebecca and Cavendish getting thrown in D block instead of any of the other blocks.
Cavendish having such a condition in the first place.
Cavendish falling asleep in the middle of a fight
Hakuba falling asleep in the middle of a fight causing him to loose!
it's also luck a natural earthquake didn't rip a whole in the ground and just kill everyone. You know natural disasters and all that.
You can see I'm being sarcastic can't you? Really, lol, I feel there is very little to discuss here, only opinions to express about a moot point.
Going by the logic people are trying to pursue that Rebecca is lucky, Cavendish can also be considered lucky he has such a condition and that he could change to Hakuba so fast, you'd think half the fighters nearby could leave a fatal wound before he even touched the ground when falling asleep. Luck that no one like Luffy, Jesus or Bartolomeo got into D block or any other certain fighters we saw in the previous rounds or Sabo, who might have possessed a skill to take Hakuba down.
Or who is a better judge between Doffy and Sabo? Doflamingo who is biased against members of the previous royal family anyway vs Sabo who was watching what happened with a neutral and objective pov?
I do find it amusing how [some] people make the arguments so personal and resort to insulting jabs when countering =/.
We are not enemies here, lets keeps the discussion within friendly levels please.
Doesn't matter what Sabo says, what we see is that Rebecca had the skill to see the attack AND move in time. That's manga fact, she saw the attack and was quick enough to move. I forgot and cannot be assed to check if she used haki, but it doesn't change the fact that she still reacted. Had she not moved, she would have likely been hit right in the head and been out, when instead her helmet took the brunt of the damage and kept her conscious.
Luck played a part too, when Cavendish went back to sleep.