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Yeah, exactly. WHERE IS BYAKUYA'S ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT? Renji is a highly talented VC, who got his Bankai exceptionally fast. It's safe to say he has a great potential. And Byakuya? He's strong, he had his 110 years to train. He doesn't change his Bankai, he's pretty fast. That's all. He was above Renji in every regard, but now Renji was brought to his limit. And I don't think Byakuya's limit is far above Renji's. I think Renji's talent is bigger than Byakuya's. Renji fought Byakuya with fresh Bankai, that he didn't know how to use. If he trained for long enough he'd be a match. But after his first fight his Bankai was damaged, so he never could reach his limit.Quote:
He fought. But he didn't do anything. He was being played with and trashed around. As Nodt let him attack him once, and his sword didn't even penetrate As's Blut.Quote:
Btw. What happenned with Blut? Blut Vene or Blut Arteriae? SRs are being cut left and right, no mention of "switching" to Blut Arteriae or Blut Vene. Like it was passive ability. Urahara said "moment when they changed from BV to BA will be crucial". And how is it crucial? So far we have normal abilities, normal fights, BV and BA not mentioned at all.
Is potential an issue here though? The first part of their trip to the royal palace was the springs which supposedly heals their injuries and even leaves them better than they used to be. Where exactly is there a potential issue here? Renji and byakuya both walked out of there healthier than they used to be. Then there is the food thingy. What they went through there was literally inserting and adding reiatsu to their bodies. I am not sure if potential itself is really an issue here. So.... if both of them had reiatsu added to their reserves, why would renji walk out of there stronger than byakuya? Renji would have started out as a strong VC, a level which is rather insignificant to someone of actual captain class reiatsu. Byakuya started with captain class reiatsu and got at least as much power as renji added to his own (well, I don't see why we should think byakuya would have less power added than renji anyways). Then we have the sword part. Renji is the one that needed help here, as I said earlier, byakuya should be past the kiddie stuff renji had to deal with as broken bankai or not being told its proper name. As far as the monk guys training, I am not sure what the deal is so far. Anyways, even if we were talking about characters reaching their potential or limit.... why would we think renji's is higher than byakuya's or that byakuya had already basically reached it? Renji has been shown as talented but where does byakuya fall short in the talent department? Byakuya is actually one of the few captains that has been shown to be good at every shinigami art. He has been shown to be at least above average if not proficient at every art we have seen. He can even use advance shunpo techniques and level 89 kido in battle on top of being an excellent swordsman. More so, he is actually young by captain standards even if not as much as hitsugaya or gin that seems a bit younger. Just look at the other captains. Suifen was a VC 100 years ago. Then we have yoruichi, rose, unohana, shinji, love, kyoraku, kensei, kenpachi, urahara and ukitake who were already well at captain class power. The case can be made that tousen and mayuri also had captain class power back then.
of course he didn't do anything but that was the only plausible and reasonable scenario fear or no fear. Not once have we seen a similar scenario to the one byakuya faced with different results. Byakuya went up against the power of his own bankai while under the influence of fear. The notion that byakuya could have done something in such an scenario is absurd, bankai is just that much of an overwhelming power. More so, not a single one of the captains that had their bankai stolen even succeeded at matching the power of bankai without a bankai and they even had time to prepare . Hitsugaya lost miserably, suifen did not come close (her bankai while being beaten up was more effective than her shunko at full power) and even as an immortal komamura ended up using his bankai. How is byakuya supposed to come up on the spot with a method to counter bankai when others have failed to do so even with time and preparation?. How is it even fair to expect byakuya's sword to penetrate his blutz? Blutz has been shown as a extremely effective defense. Royd blocked RJ with it, quilge blocked tensa zangetsu and GT consistently with it and ichigo as a first timer even blocked juhabach's blade. Byakuya had his blade blocked by someone in the same tier, what happened makes perfect sense.
As far as BV and BA I don't think the manga has actually deviated from what has been stated. It simply has not actually pointed out which one SR have been using so far. With cang du I would argue it was kinda irrelevant. He was frozen.... Not sure what to make of BG9 though. Bambietta exploded from the inside thanks to her ability, I am not sure blutz can protect her from that. It is worth noting she was not cut by komamura though. As far as mask, perhaps the case can be made that he simply didn't switch to BV and remained with his BA. Renji did outclass him and mask appears to be the reckless type when it comes to attacking. Rukia perhaps has a technique which can specifically nullify blut vene. She freezes blood, perhaps that is enough to negate blutz altogether. Or maybe bodt simply wasn't in his BV state and paid the price, Rukia was that much faster than him and he was at a distance so maybe his vene was not the active one.
Gin and Shinji was off-panel, Gin vs Ichigo was the only fight were Gin was playing around. He didn't use his Zanpakuto ability. Which is... get hit once and you die. Ichigo was cut when he fought. And I said Gin was 6 years old, so about 30 years of Shingami age. That "6 year old" reffered to how he looked. I think 5x multiplier is enough. I'd argue he wasn't even 30 years old back then.
Food gives reiatsu, healing is healing. So far the gap between Renji and Byakuya didn't close. Zanpakuto. Renji gets new Zanpakuto, which is a HUGE boost. Difference between them is closed already IMO. And training with Ichibei. Under immense reiatsu. They got boost in speed, reiatsu, etc etc. So that massive reiatsu helps. There's were "potential" and "personal limit" is a huge factor.Quote:
Renji showed considerable improvement throughout the manga. Even againt Jackie. Byakuya? He improved mentally, but I think he's just at his limit. He achieved what he could achieve. No matter how much he trains he won't be much stronger. He's versatile, good at everything, but not a master of anything. Kenpachi, Unohana, Shunsui wins in swordmanship. Urahara, Tessai, Hachi excel at Kido. Soifon, Yoruichi in Hakuda. Soifon and Yoruichi also are much faster, maybe even twice as fast. Yoruichi outrun Byakuya with Ichigo on her back. Zanpakuto mastery? There he's good. He mastered his Zanpakuto completely. And it seem he's not the only one there.
I'm just saying "He fought" is not a feat at all. My 3 year old nephew always kicks me, but I wouldn't say he's strong because of that. xDQuote:
Yhwach said "James" died, so it seems James was SR, and Mask was his ability, or something. xD Anyway, during any of those fights did you think "Oh, he used Blut Vene". Nope. They cut, and cuts are effective. They cut, and cut, and it's like Quincies no longer have crazy strong Blut Vene, that only Shunsui could cut with swordmanship during a fight. I'm not saying they didn't use it or anything, but BV and BA were supposed to be CRUCIAL in a fight, and they're NOT. What counts is OP Renji, OP Mask against 2 Vizards with Bankai who didn't Hollowfy, and Rukia cutting AN like butter. She doesn't have any particular ability. Her first attack she cut As Nodt's arm. Pretty deep cut. She almost cut off his arm. After that she froze his Blut, so AFTER that attack BV didn't work. But first attack can only be explained by crazy speed and As not having BV active.Quote:
The zampakuto thing is indeed a huge boost for renji however it can't possibly count as a boost in regards as to how he compares with other shinigami. Renji had a broken and maimed zampakuto, he was to begin with at a disadvantageous position. The only scenario in which he can be said to have a boost that is relevant in how he compares to other shinigami with bankai is that his broken, maimed and incomplete bankai somehow is comparable to intact fully mastered bankai which IMO is far from making a shred of sense. Renji right now is simply where others get to after decades of training. Renji does not have an exceptional or innately more powerful bankai, bankai are only as strong as the reiatsu behind them. It makes no sense for renji to be in any form or context ahead in this regard, at least from what I can tell. To better explain my point, imagine renji fighting a bankai user with the same amount of reiatsu. Renji has his bankai as it was after byakuya destroyed it. The maimed, incomplete version we have seen plenty of times. Then we have the other guy (with the same reiatsu) who has a fully mastered perfectly fine bankai. Renji would IMO loose this encounter, nothing else would make sense. In turn if renji has his bankai fixed and learns its actual name it gets to where his enemy is.
Well, you are making it sound as if byakuya lost due to being innately weak though which is what I am against. IMO it doesn't make sense that byakuya should have been able to do something is the extreme scenario he was given. He was fighting someone of the same caliber as him and he had 90% of his power stolen. Senbonsakura has been shown to be good enough a defense to block even GT from shikai zangetsu. The implication here would be that byakuya is supposed to have some kido which far exceeds shikai GT, which IMO is quite an absurd thing to expect from byakuya.
Rukia does have an ability and she did make the point she froze his blood. Her blade and body is insanely cold and that has an effect on the people and things she comes in contact with. If she can really freeze blood then her having something to nullify a quincy's blood related abilities makes perfect sense. Even hitsugaya's abilities are not as convenient as that (he seems to rely on making huge quantities of very hard ice). What has happened here is that the manga has not turned every fight into a chess game until the shinigami gets the perfect timing to deal with blutz. That would only work with people who focus on cutting however suifen, hitsugaya and komamura did not win their fights like that.
Anyone else notice that Juha Bach is like the Hogyoku in a sense that he can give powers?
I'm thinking, or theorizing to be exact, that somehow Urahara will have to get the Hogyoku back in an attempt to deal with Bach.
The hyoguku "giving" power is merely an application of its actual power though. As far as the manga has cared to tell us the orbs function is to grant wishes based on what people around it want. Juhabach does not grant wishes, he merely gives a part of his soul to strengthen another soul. The orb as far as we know does not leave behind pieces of itself to strengthen people. Aizen even went as far as saying that the orb basically grants things which were plausible to the soul in question from the start. In context that is different from what juhabach does because through the piece of soul he is giving he is giving strength which would not have been possible for the quincy alone. As far as what we kinda know about the orb and how juhabach's ability works I don't think we can make a case that they are related. Similarities seem superficial at best.
She uses her reishi to absorb the wave function of particles (particles oscillate faster in high frequency energy environment -> high temperature). Therefore if Rukia has enough reishi to decrease her body temperature to the border of absolute zero (let's say -273 C is good enough) while she still has some reishi left to move and attack her opponent, but her core power isn't as deep nor vast as Ichigo hence she could only do it for 4 seconds.