now i'm actually curious to how u guys rank libuko compared to the other generals?
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When you lack knowledge about military culture, and chinese history during this period, of course you're gonna say Riboku is crap, but only those who are well versed in these can tell you that he's absolutely fantastic as a general or even prime minister, go read about Zhao's history, and go read what happened when the King decided to push away Riboku from military matters and state matters, do you know what happened ? Well you can guess by yourself
A general isn't about martial skills, if he can slay a beast without even fighting and with minimal casulaties, that makes him a better than any other general who's skilled in martial skills, but not in the thinking departement
Lemme say this, a general doesn't fight himself, he moves soldiers in a way to achieve success and with the least casualties, and anything is good to achieve that, be it assassination, tricking enemies etc
If I go by your logic, might as well call Ousen a failure since he doesn't seem to fond of directly fighting strong opponents ? Or even Ouki when he sent Shin to kill Fuki instead of going himself ?
Him using Houken in a way that ensure his victory is skill, deal with it
i read the manga, not the chinese history.
and yet what libuko is good at(strategys)never seemed to be enough to defeat any worthy opponent, and was always seen through. next
no just no. shin was a 100-man commander under ouki, not one of xin's six great generals, so that shouldn't even be compared, the fact that you compared them makes me wonder if u actually understood what i meant, ousen even though he doesn't use directly beat strong opponents, his plans actually work, unlike libuko, so if you want to call anyone a failure its libuko lol.
nah, houken is the real threat, libuko is just stealing houken's credit.
Houken is just a tool used by Riboku, another piece between the many pieces he have, understood ? In the same way Ouki used Shin to slay Fuki, understood ?
What Riboku was good at was enough to utterly defeat Ouki, ass rape that Yan general, and basically make anyone acknowledge him in China
And this manga is based on chinese history, and Riboku really existed, so perhaps you should research before you spout things like that as Riboku was considered to be one of the Four Greatest Generals of the Warring states era, so really, your opinion on him doesn't even matter as he was acknowledged to be competent by people who know what they're talking about
just put this into your head, i don't care about what happened in chinese history, because its definitely not the same as what happened in the manga, so u just drop that shit, if in the chinese history he's seen as that, then because of something he did, not because of some monster who yields a god within him or whatever is houken supposed to be, get it? but unfortunatley for you, that is exactly the case in the manga, so whether u like it or not, in the manga, he's not as strong as he was in real history(if what u said is the truth), also in case u can't understand that, i'll put it bluntly for u, the libuko i'm talking about, is a character in a manga, not someone in RL, so stop talking about what he was in the chinese history, because i couldn't care less about that.
no but what u need to understand, is that houken is a general of his own, he'S a member of the 3 great heavens of zhao for god sake, he should get credits for his own efforts, not libuko, anyway, just answer me this, would u say that mougo is a better general than renpa? if yes, then your hopeless, if no, then mougo is just libuko in this situation, since its due to a combined effort from kanki/ousen, that actually won them their battle, while mougo was bested both paln-wise, and fighting-wise,
correction: he's in a better situation, since both kanki/ousen are his actual vice-generals, not fellow great generals.
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The Yan general (cant remember his name) and the Duke both saw throught Libukos tatics and schemes, which are his strong point, had it not being for housen it could have easily lead to his defeat.
I know your arguing about a general using his troops to win and whatnot and that aint wrong. What is wrong is Libuko rellying on a general of equal rank to win all his decisive battles and still get all the credit.
This is entirely different than a commanding general sending lower ranking officials to do his bidding (and even on those cases people got their recognition for their deeds like Kanki and Shin on the last war), Liboku and Housen are both of equal ranks, if Housen came and "saved" Libukos ass of the Yan general and the Duke he should get most of the credit.
It is the same as if Kanki saved Moubus ass for example, Kanki would get all the credit for whatever deeds he did.
Well there are 3 types of generals The one who as strong in fights and have that instict like Duke Hyou for example but basic they arent very smart 2nd type the ones like Ribokun who are more tacticians and are weaks in fights so they use their tactics in the battle to crush the enemy and there are very few like ouki and renpa who could have both those gifts and thats why there were Respect.
Houken isn't a general, he doesn't consider himself a general at all, if anything, he seems to follow Riboku's orders as long as it benefits him (aka meeting strong people)
Bringing chinese history isn't pointless here because the manga is based on that, and the fact is that both in the manga and real history, Riboku has been known as an outstanding general, so of course it's Riboku who sets the stage for Houken
Also even the author, through Shin, has made it clear that Riboku isn't just some random tactician, and that he knows how to fight too
So as I said, your opinion doesn't matter, because both the author and the historians acknowledge the guy being a beast, period
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Last edited by Don Chinjao; February 12, 2014 at 05:34 AM.
ur chinese shit don't serve a point here. End Of Story.
yeah so, never did i say anything about it, just saying the fact that he's plans alone never actually defeated someone worthy. its about time u actually understand what i'm saying.
not in the manga i read, no! he's definitely not shown to be as awesome as what u think of him.
also, i wonder if you will keep going with the notion, the winner is the best, period. after this 'certain' battle.
Showing how nice your debating skills are, keep going
Also, learn to read, I said Houken doesn't consider himself a general, doesn't give a flying fuck about Zhao, he only cares about being the strongest, deal with it
It's about time you understand that just because you don't like a character, doesn't make him shit in the story, got it ?
that's not what ur first 4 words say. anyways houken also doesn't consider himself a 'tool' for libuko either. u need to deal with the fact that houken is a general that should be taking the credit for his own doings.
just because i don't judge him based on the chinese history like u, doesn't mean i hate him lol, i don't dislike him, infact i like the zhao's more than any other state(apart from xin obviously) but nonetheless i give the credit to the one who made the effort, in other words, i'm being fair, unlike you who's all over him right now.