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2 different scenarios, same battleground and most of the same settings! (This does indeed include the prisoners as well, no Blackbeard Pirates)
Scenario 1: Ace isn't involved, Whitebeard pirates aren't fighting to save someone and can cut loose without being worried about hurting Ace! aka all out bloodbath
Scenario 2: Same as #1, all out blood war but with Ace included in the war (not as a prisoner) at the very beginning!
My theory is that because Whitebeard had to hold back so much, they pretty much they weren't able to truly display their true might and may have defeated the Navy, trying to get past an enemy as quickly as possible to rescue someone is much different then a battle to the death.
As for Ace, I'm thinking he would've been a big difference maker if he was involved from the beginning along with Marco/Jozu. The difference being, barely defeating them to curb-stomping the Navy.
State your opinions and explanations!
Last edited by ProGoddess; October 02, 2014 at 08:53 AM.
In both scenarios ( 1 & 2 ) - The navy and the shichibukai will most definitely win in both scenarios even If Whitebeard has a total of 1617 crew members. But in this crew, only Marco,Ace ( in second scenario ), Jozu, Vista will pose a major problem to the navy and shichibukai but apart from that, Doflamingo has shown that he could handle Jozu by himself, Kizaru would outlast Marco and Akainu would outpower Ace, even If we were to add Little oars Jr. to the fight, Doflamingo has already shown that he was capable of handling him with relative ease.
I will not consider Sengoku and Garp in this battle but I will only if Whitebeard manages to beat all of the 3 admirals which I doubt think he'll be capable of, especially that old & sick Whitebeard... their Haki was shown to be more than enough to stop his quakes. Actually, taking on the the 3 admirals at once is extremely difficult. Kizaru's attacks will be a real problem to Whitebeard, just like Akainu's and Aokiji's attacks, in the end, I doubt Whitebeard will even be able to survive.
Adding Sengoku & Garp may render the batte much more difficult for the Whitebeard pirates.
Last edited by Rikudobito; April 10, 2014 at 03:03 PM.
The Whitebeard Pirates and their allies fought honorably, but their defeat was total. They never had a chance of deafeating the Marines, but victory wasn't their goal anyways, their goal was Ace.
At the end of the war Whitebeard, Ace and likely Oars Jr. were dead, Jozu, Curiel, Luffy, Jinbei, Mr. 1, Ivankov and Inazuma were all defeated. On the other side, only LaCroix, Ronse and John Giant were down and except for Akainu all of their big names were almost uninjured.
I'd say even if Sengoku didn't accept Shanks offer, the marines would still be victorius even against two Yonkou crews. In this scenario, they would get heavy casualties as well, but they would still win. That's just how damn powerfull they are.
If Whitebeard wanted to take down the marines, he could have done so. In both scenarios whitebeard had the capability to destroy the island with one hand tied behind his back. The only reason he didn't do it was because ace was there. If he had all vice admirals with devil fruits would have been finished. The admirals, the rest of the marines and the shichibukai would have to go on the offensive to stop whitebeard from completely destroying everything.
In scenario 1: Honestly the marines vice admiral and below are almost completely useless because whitebeard can take them out with a shock wave (maybe with the exception of smoker). So what's left are the shichibukai, Garp sengoku and the admirals. Of the old shichibukai, Moria's barely worth a word, Jinbei will fight with whitebeard probably easily taking Moria out again, blackbeard isn't involved, kuma could be taken out by ivankov, mihawk would be held back by Vista, Boa would be fighting on whitebeard's side, and doflamingo doesn't care so he won't be a major player.
So the Shichibukai actually end up helping Whitebeard all and all.
Then there are the admirals. Marco and Kizaru would have an even fight. Marco's goal would just be to hold Kizaru off of Whitebeard and not to advance thus he is would be able to do so pretty easily (as stated before he has one of the most solid defenses in the one piece world). Akainu would be unmatched unless challenged by whitebeard himself. In a one on one fight a whitebeard that has not been stabbed (since no betrayal would take place) would easily handle Akainu. For this to take place though somebody would have to handle Kuzan. Jozu would probably be able to hold him off but not for long. It would probably be long enough for whitebeard to take out akainu though. Then Whitebeard would still be able to take out Kuzan. The reason that the whitebeard pirates would lose though, is because Garp would be going all out.
Garp took out marco the pheonix like he was a fly. Garp would not even be fighting against a pirate crew with Ace and thus would fight to his hearts content. With him and sengoku set loose against the same enemy, whitebeard pirates would not have a chance. Whitebeard would be able to destroy the island with ease but he wouldn't be able to handle the ambush that would result even if garp only took out marco.
Scenario 2: If ace was there two things would change. First Ace and jozu would be able to hold back Kuzan for as long as necessary. Second, and more importantly, Garp might hold back because he wouldn't be able to fight his grandson just as he held back against Luffy. Even if Garp hesitated Whitebeard with the help of his commanders would be able to take out the admirals, vice admirals and shichibukai together. Thus Sengoku and Garp would be the only strong people left on the marines side. It would be tough to see them hold. Were all the commanders to fight against sengoku, sengoku would be in trouble. In a one on one fight, Garp and Whitebeard would be just about even, but with the help of his crew after they defeat sengoku, and with the help of all the other pirate crews, Garp would be finished. I think in this scenario there is a possibility that the whitebeard pirates could win.
Hmmm The Marines a Total fighting power surpasses that of 1 Yonki Crew.. If we stack up their fighting potential Yhe marine just have too much fire power conpared to WB Pirates who have about 10minor pirate crews followin them
Shibuchkia + 3Admirals + Garp/Sengoku
V.Admirals + Thousands of Soldiers
WB + 15Pirate Captains and 43other captains....
The major problem is the Marines have more Fire power as individuals...Kuma,Donflamingo,Mihawk,Boa...WB strongest pirates alone can't take out The Shubikica which isn't even the Marine's Trump Card...
WB would eventually die from Garp/Sengoku + Admirals...While his top 3 captains would see their end fighting the Shubikia
I doubt WB actually held back when using his attacks. If anything the implication was that he would just rampage and his crewmembers had to deal with it however they could. The place where ace was was at points even protected from damage. Destroying the scafold is by far the best case scenario for WB in the end. He threw two tsunamis at the island, the guy was never holding back. The marines were better prepared for the war and had the home field advantage basically, I don't think there is more to the outcome than that. Remove the home field advantage and you have a pretty even force IMO.
Whitebeard would probably have a hard time with The 3 admiral themselves . It was say that at one point Shanks and Hawk eyes were equal , we could say that right now Shanks is probably A level higher than Mihawk but don't forget that Shanks is now missing arm . So in my eyes just the 3 Admiral and Hawk Eyes could Defeat Whitebeard , Now Marco himself would be a whole another problem in itself .
If luffy isn't involved, then Hancock has no reason to fight against the marines. That's a lot of the men petrified and all. The pacifista army alone is enough to wipe out all the fodders from whitebeards side. Whitebeard and his commanders will have their hands full with the admirals. Also garp and sengoku will be involved. That's too much firepower. Whitebeard is old so he's limited. Even with the prisoners fighting for whitebeard, the other SB, and vice admirals are there to keep them full. The marines have way more firepower especially with the pacifista's. Ofcourse the marines will record their own fair share of losses but it'll still pale I'm comparison to the damage they'll deal.
Ace is strong but not that much of a game changer in a fight like this.
Either way it won't make much sense if just one yonko could win against the marines and SB fighting together.