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Last edited by Australopithecus; May 11, 2014 at 04:45 PM.
I don't know what's all this talk about freezing diamonds. Jozu didn't turned his arm in diamond when he was frozen by Aokiji.
Otherwise we should be able to see that characteristic polygonal look when he transforms in diamond.
During the Davy back fight arc it was shown that one has to be prevented from falling and breaking apart, this is just a confirmation of that fact some arcs later. For plot purposes it doesn't matter and wouldn't have mattered if he had diamond, iron, wax, poison or any other skin changing paramecia fruit. There you have a reasoning: The plot demanded for him to break. The most easy solution is often the best one.
Diamond Jozu is a diamond man who ate the diamond devil fruit.
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It doesn't have to be a devil fruit because of the nickname. It's a devil fruit because it looks, acts, and is used identically to every other devil fruit ever introduced.Quote:
There's no proof it's a devil fruit, as far as I recall. It could also be a way of showing just how advanced Jozu's haki is. Saying "blackening wasn't thought of" isn't really an argument, as Oda could have planned to use diamond to show Jozu's mastery over haki.
I would like to reiterate that I think Jozu's ability is devil fruit's, but the point of this post is to not discount anything (Sabo?) or mention thread closing.
There is absolute and total proof. Jozu's diamond power looks, acts, and is used in a manner similar to all other fruit powers. It is not used like, look like, or act like armament haki. Oda frequently introduces obvious fruit abilities without confirming or naming them for hundreds of chapters. He assumes a certain degree of common sense when readers are confronted by the obvious. Use Doflamingo for reference. Obvious fruit ability, not confirmed for 500 chapters.Quote:
It is a valid argument, and completely damning. Claiming Oda planned Jozu's diamonds to represent haki require major breakdowns in basic logic, reason, story cohesion, and even linear flow. The argument would be that Oda visually depicted exceptional use of an ability without ever depicting how a normal user would look. The exceptional nature of Jozu's transformation went un-noted by other characters, nor were there any clues that something exceptional was happening that would bear explanation later. Even the savviest reader would be unable to comprehend the plot points surrounding Jozu's transformation, or the possible repercussions. It was treated, at the time, like any other unnamed devil fruit ability. Haki could only be a retroactive explanation for his transformation, and even then could only be based on a non-sequitur. Skin color changes when armament haki is used, armament haki can harden surfaces, diamonds are hard, Jozu transformed into diamonds, therefore Jozu used haki even though the basis for the argument (change in appearance) was not a plot element at the time. Armament haki can be used in concert with devil fruit abilities, as demonstrated here.Quote:
Not every argument needs to be acknowledged, not all opinions are valid. I don't understand the Sabo reference. The consensus around fandom was that he did not die, and would eventually return. Only the stubbornest, most clueless readers ever really argued he died. Predicting that an established supporting character will return is a One Piece fan cliche. Fans make predictions about two or three characters per arc. Most are random guesses based on loose plot connections. Skeptics should not be slighted, they usually have plenty of reason to be dubious.Quote:
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._. I'm sorry, even if it's allowed to discuss things like this I really don't see the relevance.
1st: Why would Jozu be the only person in the OP world with this diamond Haki? Do you seriously believe that his Haki is more powerful and advanced than the Admirals', Whitebeard's, Mihawk's, Shanks'? I doubt it very much.
2nd: Hardening hadn't even been introduced when the war took place, so what you're suggesting is that Oda came up with a single person's Haki manifesting as diamond whilst the forementioned people didn't display hardening or manifesting Haki of any kind? Preposterous.
3rd: Jozu's ability fits perfectly into the Paramecia class Devil fruits with Luffy's rubber body, Alvida's slippery body, Daz Bones' steel body, Capone Bege's fortress body, Urouge's muscle transformation body, Baby 5's weapons body, Pica's stone body and Diamante's fluttering body.
I have to go with this absolutely being a DF. Haki is likely to be able to do a number of things but changing ones body constitution seems to be well within the category of DFs. There is no reason for us to realistically think jozu's diamond abilities are actually haki related.
Besides it has been shown that diamons are still valuable in One Piece, and if Jozu was a Logia it would since have lost value due to inflation.
Please don't excuse other members of being delusional. That is very rude.
Haki can indeed cause transformations. The irrefutable proof of this is Luffy's Red Hawk.
Take a close look at the carpal part of his arm. It's white. Hardening makes bodily parts black, yet that part is white. From the brachial part to the antebrachial part of his body(depending on how far his entire arm was stretched, it could also be from the antecubital to the brachial part or just the brachial part of his body alone) the blackness is whitening. It is a clear indication of a fiery transformation.
When the author redrew it on the 65th volume's cover, he demonstrated a much clearer transformation of his hand.
If it hadn't been for his Hardening Haki, he wouldn't have been able to pull it off.
It's not easy to conclude whether it was also due to his DF or not because he has already used Gear 2 with Hardening and attacked with Hawk Rifle, yet no flames gushed out of his arm.
I'm sorry, but I honestly don't consider that a proof. Since when were the three listed characteristics(looks like, acts like, used like) the consensually typical features for being a DF user? Blackbeard's DF is a Logia, yet it is very different from a typical Logia. If the author hadn't confirmed its category, using our common sense, we would have classified it as a Paramecia. Even Ace found it strange to be a Logia.(Bottom left panel)
Advanced form of Haki had already been introduced prior to its primitive forms.
When Shanks' Conqueror Haki was cracking the ship, it was simple and clear that that was an advanced form of Conqueror Haki. Afterwards, we have kept seeing only primitive forms of Conqueror Haki.
The manner Joz's diamond was used is very similar to how hardening has been used. Hardening cloaks a part of the body or the body itself entirely, and Joz's diamond was seen to cover partially his body like Hardening Haki.
When Joz hit Kuzan, his frontal area, which received the impact, wasn't shown. AT that moment Kuzan could have used Hardening Haki(or an advanced form of it) on his buccal area(or whatever frontal area he was hit to) to reduce the damage.
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He would be the first paramecia to produce a natural substance. Luffy, Mr. 2, and Mr. 3 use their fruit to transform, but all three transform into man made products, not naturally occurring elements. Rubber, steel, and wax are all processed goods. Naturally occurring rubber is a liquid. Wax is a compound, steel an alloy. It's a fine line, all three use their ability in a logia like manner. But all three have powers based on manufactured goods. All logia transform into natural substances. Diamonds are natural, like sand, smoke, swamp, gas, and magma. Diamond Jozu's ability fits well with logia, even if he never produces a stream of diamonds. His ability could be paramecia, but it would be a bit of an oddity by category standards. A paramecia that allows the user to transform into a natural element would be identical to the description of logia.
No, the dumbest theory ever is that Uranus is the Yami-Yami no Mi.[/QUOTE]