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i was going through one piece manga again from the start i noticed this several times that when don creek said that he was in grand line for only a week and came back running after encountering Mihawk. At first i was thinking he was just somewhere near the reverse mountain then he met Mihawk there but then how did mihawk come into east blue only to go back to grand line as quickly. Besides Don Creek there are several people who came and left grand line like Shanks, Buggy, Mihawk, Gol D. Roger, Zeff, Garp and shiki. shiki can fly with ships so he is an exception and garp can use marine ships with kairosaki stones to travel through calm belts but cobi said that this was a latest technology by Vegapunk which means when garp came to east blue to visit luffy he came back from grand-line through some other ways similar to how pirates like Zeff, Buggy and Don Creek can use to escape grand line.
there might be some gaps in the calm belts where water currents flow and/or the winds blow that might be the only logical explanation on how these guys manage to came back from grand line. if this is true then the possibility of ALL BLUE existing somewhere becomes real.
For Don Kriek I'd say it's because he went though the Calm Belt.
For the others, I think there are other ways that strong Pirates can certainly use. But you are right, this is not totally clear.
They don't leave Grand line, they stay there forever lol. No more seriously maybe they use some kind of stream or some areas of calm belt are safe?It's true that it makes no sense now that you pointed it out.
As far as don krieg and mihawk following him I would argue they were simply close to the entrance and could leave. I could imagine mihawk navigating the calm belt however krieg pulling that off seems unlikely. Mihawk with him mere presence could potentially scare off sea kings...
This is probably a plot hole which Oda himself didn't realize and Don Creek's case is even more so. I think this happened because Oda didn't thought of Reverse mountain at that time and when he did it was already too late.
One very good method to cover this plot hole is that there is indeed a secret way to escape from grand line and that is through white sea in the sky.
White Sea is in fact should be as big as blue sea because it's a natural sea(the reason why the old ship falls from sky near merry is because it was set adrift on drifting clouds not the white sea)it's just that there are very few locations through which one can go from blue sea to white sea but navigating on endless white sea without magnetic field is impossible.
White White Sea is above White Sea and where Sky Islands exists (these don't have magnetic field too. the one luffy went to had it because of the half portion of the jaya island there.)
there should be few roads to the white sea as Gan Fall suggested but without prior knowledge of nearby Sky Island traveling on white sea is nothing less than suicide but many pirates would want to leave to grand line even more so from New World so they would opt this option and over the course of years of navigation less travel some pirate must've found a way which will later be used by the escapees and great pirates alike.
the reason why these routes are barely even known would be because entry point, travel and exit point each more dangerous than the other in order and would contain it's own unique danger.
the dangers would be something like unreasonable or mysterious mortally hazardous entry points then navigation less and scare food travel with the danger of white sea giving way to ships weight and letting it fall through, this causes infighting and inkillings in the group on what and whose items to through away to reduce weight, stealing of food shares and also deciding on who would walk the plank to reduce a mouth to feed and the weight and deadly White Sea Creatures to feed on unadapted, exhausted & hungry survivors of the in-killings (when Bellamy said he lost many comrades on way to Sky Island he must be talking about this as was previously suggested by Gan Fall as a merciless path.) and finally the exit point would be at the edge of calm belt with less than a kilometer from the normal seas (certain death unless really lucky or super strong with CoC)
If it's this tough then almost no one will even be even aware of this route because those who knew would be either dead or hiding in one of four seas. so, the other escapees would know of this route would because there would a sky island near the exit points whose citizens would make a living off the escaping pirates and would spread the rumors of this escape route to other sky islands and the islands near the entry points. since, pirates would want to go their own seas to there must be at-least four exit points, one for each sea and the best location for this Sky Island where the four exit points are near would be of course where four entry points are but directly above it.
this edited pic above is my rough representation of the entry points to the white sea and the exit points which are inside but at the edge of the calm belt and the sky island would at the centre point of these routes above the reverse mountain.
Last edited by khaja_200923; May 28, 2014 at 09:26 PM.
There are actually a few ways to leave the Grand Line that have been hinted at.
The most straightforward way is to cross the Calm Belt. If you notice Don Kreig's ship was heavily damaged when it reached the Baratie restaurant and it didn't look like it was damaged by a sword. Chances are, they got attacked by sea kings on their way out. Crossing the Calm Belt is easy for those marines with the Kairoseki embedded hulls. But that's not the only way to cross it either. The Kuja pirates used poisonous sea serpents to pull their ships (that even the sea kings in the Calm Belt avoid). We have also seen people like Momonga, Rayleigh, and Montblanc Norland (who is said to have traveled the Grand Line multiple times) take out sea kings fairly easily. Haki can play a huge role here... whether in using armament haki to fight the giant sea kings, using observation haki to avoid them, or using conqueror's haki to tame/scare them.
Other ways hinted in the story include special abilities like the Paw Paw fruit or the like; flying over like the Weatheria island; or using birds like Chopper did after the time skip (or how the news is delivered by the News Coos all over the world); as well as having some sea monster pulling your ship underwater (but I guess for this, you still need to avoid the sea kings using haki or something).
But isn't Calm belt like the name suggests a place without winds? How can they manage to cross it without wind? I think only a few ships are equipped to do with the absence of wind. The ships who would want to leave will have to fight through the seas kings, maybe it's a risk they're willing to take if they can leave Grand line where they could face far bigger dangers.
Last edited by ladylola; May 28, 2014 at 04:08 PM.
What if you coated a ship in the right way? just like with Fishman Island, you know there are a lot of sea kings around Fishaman Island as well? So a good coating may go a long way for the calm belts as well? Maybe depends on how low you go? Or how good the coating was? Doubt there is coating that can repel sea kings, but oh well, just an idea.
And there's also that little boat Ace was using with his own flame powered propulsion lol (Apparently, he must've had to leave the New World part of the Grand Line crossing the Calm Belt and entered back through Reverse mountain to get on the same route that he was on when he went to Drum Kingdom and then Arabasta). Any of these things would work even without wind and sails.
I remember when Momonga went to get Hancock for the war, even though they were using a navy ship with a kairoseki plated hull, they were worried that sea kings would notice them. The kairoseki just masked the presence of the ship while it paddled or moved along the water because it gave off the same feeling as the sea. It wasn't a sea king repellent or anything.
What I'm more curious about than how people leave the Grand Line crossing the Calm Belt though, is why they don't just cross the Calm Belt into the Grand Line near the back end of Reverse mountain and try to reach Raftel that way.... it'd be so much shorter since crossing the Calm Belt doesn't seem that impossible with all these methods... That always puzzled me.
Last edited by Anduren; May 28, 2014 at 07:56 PM.
I guess he just got lucky.
Well... the storm happened near the entrance of the Grand Line. The strawhats had to go through a similar storm at the beginning too if i remember right. I don't think it was said anywhere that the storm was what damaged the ship. The ship just took damage from something by the time it got out of the Grand Line; and the storm supposedly just helped them get away from Mihawk. If you look at that ship in chapter 46 where it's 1st shown, the damage on that figurehead doesn't look like it was done by any storm. That was what I was referring to. Anyways, Crocus clearly said there was no way for Laboon to get back to his home sea and they were at the very entrance of the Grand Line.
about returning from grand line didnt they take same way they go there. i mean its sea not 1 way road.
Last edited by suraj5898; May 29, 2014 at 12:29 AM.
even the Sea Kings that Rayleigh and momonga killed were small monster's compared to these Sea Kings and these exist in calm belt too there's no fighting them. Momonga was able to cross Calm Belt because his warship was Paddle ship and had Kairosaki stone on their bottom which hide the ship's presence this is a new technology by vegapunk so less than 5-6 years in OP world. Big ships can't travel using Oars for a long distance, it will require too much man power to even move the ship and no one will be left to defend the ship. Momonga is real strong and norland could not be stronger than him, even momonga would've lost his advanced ship and crew if two small Sea Kings had attacked them at once. so, considering that Norland escorted the king back to North Blue is not an option.
the damage to the ship looks like it was done by crashing against rocks or Ice bergs.
I think you're giving Norland too little credit. This guy didn't just travel the Grand Line multiple times, it's also confirmed that he's been to the New World as well (being a hero on both islands where he is known to have visited). The time he traveled with the king, the king made him take a crew that wasn't his own (king's men probably were not even sailors). I don't think it said anywhere that his crew that he went exploring with took any losses during his travels into the Grand Line.
As for Momonga, I don't think it matters whether the one he killed was a little sea king or a big sea king. They were in the Calm Belt and he killed a sea king there and protected his ship. Same with Rayleigh: he swam through the Calm Belt and whatever was in his way, he must've dealt with. We just saw that last sea king he killed near Amazon Lilly.
The damage taken by Don Kreig's ship looks more to me like it was done by claws but you may very well be right.
Anyways, the size of a sea king doesn't mean much when you're comparing how dangerous it is to a human. Rayleigh may be an extreme example, but he's still an example. The fact of the matter is, people DO leave the Grand Line and they do it mostly by crossing the Calm Belt. Most people who try it supposedly don't make it but some still do... and usually the ones who make it are the strong ones.