Yep. When it comes to leadership Sasuke's superior to Naruto in every conceivable way already. The only thing that would prevent anyone from following him is the fact that he's a colossal dick.
And that's not really a deal breaker anyway, considering how he shat on Kakashi in this chapter and he still didn't step out of line. He kindly stepped aside and let the HNIC get to work. Compassion isn't the end-all be-all of leadership prerequisites and it just so happens Sasuke's aces in every single other one:
Tactical? Greater than Naruto in the sense that he actually makes plans beforehand, rather than reacting on the fly.
Capable of reading a situation? Sasuke again.
Willing to make sacrifices? He was ready to abandon the entire alliance to save Naruto since he was the only one that could help him defeat Obito, so yup.
Focused? Every time Obito or Madara presented an opening he was on him like stank on a gorilla. Even when Naruto was about to be killed, Sasuke was the one to step in and force him to keep his head in the game (saving him from Obito with his Susanoo once, saving him from the giant root when he was crying).
Sasuke's essentially an ornery Kakashi. You essentially have to ask yourself "Who would be a better leader: Kakashi with Sasuke's power levels, or Naruto?"
I think we all know the answer to that.
One of the things that has allowed him to accomplish what he has is his total disregard for others. You're asking if Sasuke would be a better leader if he wasn't Sasuke. It's his obvious flaw, he's a dick. He always has been, and that doesn't seem likely to change. If you take away the major flaw of any major character, they're going to look pretty good.
But some would look better than others. If you take away Shikamaru's laziness, is he gonna have the same physical capabilities as Sasuke or Naruto? The same battle instinct or willingness to sacrifice that Sasuke has? What about taking away Sakura's infatuation with Sasuke? Or Ino's shallow need to be acknowledged by ANY attractive boy?
The point I'm making is that Sasuke has ONE thing holding him back from being the absolute paradigm of Kage skill and ability. I guess two if you consider the Uchiha curse, but that tends to work in his favor more than against him.
he still hasn't gotten over his brother's betrayal...to him/clan
but i believe he told the sage he cared for naruto...thats a start.
not that he was willing to work with him...but legitimately cares.
he will come around,trusting someone after what he went thru as a child would be hard on anyone.
hopefully in the end we get a good heartfelt smile out of the guy
And on your point about 'Kage skill and ability', he's long surpassed their skill and ability, in matters of battle and war. To be blunt, compassion doesn't seem like much of a requirement in some of the villages. What we've seen little of from the Kages is what likely comprises most of their duties; management of a village.
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So, if Sasuke did indeed change, and lost of some of his dickishness and cold heartedness he would be a much better fit than Naruto.
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Unfortunately intelligence isn't everything when it comes to managing people. Sasuke's abilities have always been shown in the context of battle, just like most of the characters. Those skills aren't necessarily transferrable. As a leader, particularly of a village, the ability to deal with others is important, Sasuke's interpersonal skills are just awful. Naruto's always going to be better at dealing with others. However, Sasuke's always going to be more intelligent, obviously. One might flourish where another might come short depending on the scenario. Sasuke needs to work on his attitude, Naruto his thought process.Quote:
If Sasuke becomes compassionate, he'd be trillions of miles better than Naruto as a hokage or leader, since that's his only flaw. He's intelligent and can grasp politics better, something Naruto wouldn't be able to do, and make the right decisions, which Naruto can't do, as he has shown.
If Sasuke was compassionate he would yea!
But then he would be missing what makes Sasuke Sasuke lol
Sasuke doesn't have to be all "risk the lives of the entire world to save or protect the lives of six beings who can't die and prefer not to be part of Juubi!" to be compassionate, he can be more like Tobirama. He can care about others while being unemotional or unlike Tobirama, unbiased in his decisions. He'd be better than Naruto because he's not entirely compassionate, which prevents him from being too naive.
And as I said to the OP, compassion has never really been a necessity to being Hokage, and we have actually been shown that it can cause plenty of problems as lacking compassion: Hashirama's unwillingness to deal with Madara leading basically to the current situation, and Sarutobi's unwillingness to deal with Orochimaru leading to numerous deaths and war. Itachi, who was described as thinking just like a Hokage, wasn't exactly a compassionate person. He cared about others, but was also willing to do what was needed for the greater good. This is the approach Sasuke seems to be developing.
Ok, I pointed that out even before you joined the conversation, in the first post you responded to, and I pointed out the issues. Quite frankly, most of the Kages have just been awful; civil wars, strife, coups, world wars, the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, the potential end of humanity, I'm fairly certain that the majority of the Kages are examples of how not to be a Kage. Being compassionate doesn't produce an inability to do what is necessary; Hashirama and Sarutobi were stupidly naïve when it came to individuals they held dear. And Itachi was compassionate; his concern for his brother was undeniable, and his concern for Konoha was considerable. Tobirama was capable of being compassionate, but that didn't stop him from doing what he thought needed to be done. Compassion doesn't necessarily result in inaction or weakness. And I don't know how you've drawn Sasuke to Itachi's way of doing things, they've very little in common when it comes to style or general outlook. Itachi as a genocidal villain showed more interpersonal skills than Sasuke as an ally and supposed Hokage candidate.Quote:
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And once again you mention power-ups when none of my examples involve him getting a power-up (aside from the Kirabi one which I don't consider a power-up because it's was a power he already possessed before the situation began.) Sasuke's power-ups have either happen before them (such as in the case with locating Itachi and getting to the summit) or inbetween them (such as between defeating Obito and fighting Madara). Teamwork ties directly to caring about others, especially when we're talking about risking one's life for your teammates. You don't risk your life for people if you don't care about them.
Leaving Konoha? He thanked Sakura for her concern and outright acknowledged that Naruto was like a brother to him. Don't see any disregarding of them.
Abandoning his team? Leaving his teammates to do his own thing is not abandonment and is far from disregarding them, especially since as mentioned, he was shown caring about both of them as he did it.
Lack of concern for Taka? The only time he ever shown a lack of concern was in the events around killing Danzo, which I already acknowledged. But there are plenty more situations showing he did care for them, several of which involved him protecting and risking his life for them. Heck, he kept them around even after they had done what he had brought them together for. Again, that's not disregarding them.
Kirabi/Kumo/samurai? They were basically his enemies. Why would he have to have compassion for his enemies?
Regularly abandoned? He did that in one arc. That's not regularly. Heck, he has protected Sakura twice in the current arc, despite her being of no use to him. And why should Sasuke have to consideration about the opposition? Better yet, how about you give an example of a "good" character caring about their enemy in favor of completing their goal.
Little in common? They both are willing to do what is necessary to protect the village. And more interpersonal skills? I would love some examples of that. Sasuke has been doing exactly what a Hokage is suppose to be doing, working to protect the village, and protecting those under him. He has literally saved Sakura's life twice, not to mention the numerous times he protected Naruto. But I guess since he didn't do it nicely, it means nothing. I want to know where this criteria that a potential leader has to be nice to everyone is coming from.