The new OVA was pretty good, however there is one point that I think needs to be discussed, and that is the landscape. One of the most interesting questions about the SNK world is: Where are the Walls located, if they are on Earth?
Since most of the characters seem to come from a German (or European) background most of us assume that the Walls are located in Europe. However, the landscape in the OVA is a mix between a badland and a desert. There are very few landscapes of the same type in Europe; one being in Spain (Bardenas Reales) where the Walls can't possibly fit, and the other being in Poland (Bledow desert) in which there are no mountains, as there were in the desert in SNK. Also, are there any lizards like the one Jean tried to hunt in Europe?
Certain landscapes and such lizards can be found in the U.S., though. Maybe the Walls are located there?
I'd like to know your though on the matter .
I may not live in Germany, but I'll tell you, I've never once seen a giant lizard crossing my neighborhood. We had like wolves come from Germany, and even a moose swam over from Sweden one time.
And I think the desert area must have been a mistake by the director or production designer, because Isayama has kept the series environment very consistently German as far as I can tell.
There aren't any bears for example.
Although confusingly enough, Before the Fall also has a canyon right next to Shiganshina.
That could be a coincidental, but it may be likely that the Walls do take place in America. So all those (mostly) German people, may have migrated from Europe.
So if we were to flip the map that come with the covers, it does make a bit more sense.
here's a post on tumblr about the lizard and a bird from that OVA
but at the same time it can't be in Germany as there's no place where the walls could stand and not be close to the sea. The closest it could be to Germany is on Czech Republic's and Poland's territories. The comparison of territory humanity has in Shingeki no Kyojin to Europe.
Indeed. Even when he drew the walled area as seen from above back in the early chapters, there were no areas that could be interpreted as deserts. There were either grasslands or forests.Quote:
Well, we DO have to flip the map so we can read the seemingly undecipherable characters. And by 'we' I mean the ones among us SNK fans who can read and understand Japanese; myself, unfortunately, not included.Quote:
However, the sea between the two continents in abnormally narrow. At first I thought that people migrated from the Scandinavian Peninsula to Central/Eastern Europe, not knowing that Scandinavia is not a peninsula.
Thank you. I don't see why the fact that the walls could be in Poland and the Czech Republic bothers people. Just because the people are German, it doesn't have to be Germany.Quote:
This is all assuming that the world of Attack on Titan is this one and not a fantasy one, and it is assuming the author is being careful to take the wildlife and temperance of a certain geographical location. But I want to add to the conversation too!
One of the problems I find with Attack on Titan is the sense of scale, and particularly with the walls. The sketches that Isayama makes just don't reflect their real scale or proportion. Next, the drawings of the landscapes outside the walls are inconsistent. Sometimes they are desolate and desert like, and other times they are lush with giant trees.
If a real world equivalent exists it would have to match the drawing in the middle of volume 2 shown here: http://i19.mangapanda.com/shingeki-n...in-2078701.jpg
I'm not Geography master, but I can't think of a mountain with rivers that big running almost perfectly North, South, East, West like that, though a search for a mountain like with a lake like that on our globle might lead us to inspiration as to where it is.
Moreover, in Volume 1 Erin talks with Armin about the world, and the mention of oceans filled with salt bring up two clues. The first is that the walls are in a location where salt is scarce, and that the walls are far enough away from the oceans not to see them from the walls.
About a year ago there was the revelation of the writing on the backside of the covers and we learned that the Titans appeared 107 years ago, and humanity tried to cross the sea, and the walls were prepared but erected 7 years after the Titan's appearance on the other continent, and 100 years before the main story.
Now I ain't a mathematician, but it would be very interesting to figure out how far you can physically see from a height of 50m due to the angel of refraction, and that distance would give us a better idea of how far from the coastline the walls are, and from there we could create a better hypothesis of where it might lie in our world.
Though, I don't think Isayama really put that much effort into making the location of the walls that exact. The focus is more on the story that is unfolding and the conspiracies we are learning about than the world itself, or the setting.
On the OVA. I'm not sure I consider it Canon. Its more like Filler. I will say though that the wastelands look a lot like the cadet training area. I kind of lost it when I saw the cactus on the map though!
Before the Fall thread.
Anyway, the people within the walls were supposed to have migrated there. Does that mean they came from Germany to another land, and that's why they speak German? Because if they came to the walls from somewhere else and the walls surrounded Germany already, they would speak another native tongue, not German! So which is it? I mean, its likely the migration story is BS, but since it seems clear everyone's been brainwashed we have no clue as to where they are on Earth (Earth?), where they originated, and how they got there. Bottom line is the people in the walled cities speak German, look German, build like Germans, but we really don't know where they came from.
Great point! The lands within the walls are almost too perfect in geography. I brought up an idea that they might be a product of geoengineering which is maybe too imaginative for some people to consider, but a reasonable one to make given how eerily radially symmetric the lands inside the walls are. Another great point about the walls being too close to the oceans. There's been 57 Survey Corps expeditions beyond the walls, and many of them took place before losing Wall Maria. If the walls were right next to the coastline, the SC would have likely run into one. Even if they haven't found the sea yet, if the walls surrounded Germany, the Sea inlet where Hamburg lies would still be getting seawater flowing into it (so salt water wouldn't be surprising to Eren or Armin).Quote:
Given what we know about the land inside the walls, it would be hard to place anywhere on Earth really. I can't think of a single landmass the size of Texas with a lone high mountain and rivers flowing down in all directions. Therefore, we don't know where its happening on earth, or if the land they are on has been engineered somehow, or maybe that they're NOT on Earth...interesting thought right? Since we have no history before 107 years, there's no real way to place it historically, so we dont even know WHEN it takes place. (Given that Hanji names a titan after Russian Serial Killer/Cannibal Chikatilo who died in 1994 however, its likely all of this is happening after 1994, in my opinion).
So if we don't know where or when this all happened, there may be no problems, geographically, with having a wasteland within the walls.
Sawney and Bean and that legend is based on a person who lived in 15th/16th century.
Hanji naming titans after real people doesn't mean that she knows stories connected to them. It might be just Isayama's choice, as some sort of a wink towards readers.
Their technology and generally how the scenery looks like are the best evidences that the story can't take place before the invention of steam engine. Titans don't destroy anything unless there are people around and obviously don't clean around. And even outside the walls all we saw were old buildings just like the ones inside the walls and unspoilt landscapes. Nothing more, no cars or anything more left there.
Wouldn't it be the easiest to try establish where forests with such tall trees grow? SNK's wikia says that The Forest of Giant Trees has trees that are around 80m tall, but the Female Titan is 14m tall and to me it looked like she was only a bit less than half the size of these trees, so they'd be around 30m.
PIXISSUUU why do you say that they speak German? I don't remember it being ever mentioned and obviously in the anime they speak Japanese so I have no idea where this idea came from.
It is confirmed that Isayama based the city on German city Nördlingenand and most of the surnames are German, so it's not strange that some people assume that's where the action takes place. But taking into consideration all the aspects we mentioned here, it just can't be Germany OR Isayama just didn't really go into detail, just drew whatever landscapes, fauna and flora.
here. Since Chikatilo died in 1994, Hanji probably lived after he existed and committed his cannibalistic murders. Somehow his story manages to get passed down despite the memory manipulation.
EDIT: I'm actually now realizing this may have only been in the Anime. Is that still considered canon??? Maybe it weakens the post 1994 conclusion...
Here's some 3DMG from the present era. Unfortunately the geography doesn't work out again as California is too close to the ocean.
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My knowledge of trees is really poor, but I tried googling for such forests yesterday and I couldn't find anything worth mentioning. Redwoods seemed the closest to it, but just as you said - it's too close to the ocean. I think there's no point with checking every little geographical detail, clearly it's not our world or Isayama isn't consistent with it, either way for now there's no way to tell what year and place the action takes place.
Isayama actually leaves lots of clues - like Annie's fighting stance both in person and titan forms, Bertholdt being close to changing in front of everyone in Castle Utgard, how shifters always shared strange eye contact... I'm also pretty sure there's plenty of symbolism hidden behind little details that some might just completely ignore. Things like a pomegranate or a praying mantis, character names and other trivia.
Ok, I found one of these eye catches, and I've always found it rather strange.
Try and spot what is so weird about it.
Again, the anime team could had been the ones behind it.
Also, is that the sea, or just a bunch of black spot up at north?
Could be the Netherlands, but then why haven't they seen it?
It can't be unexplored as these black spots are even inside the walls (next to a district on the right). I'd say that these are depressions. Other black areas inside the walls must be lakes.
However this image shows that the area in the Wall Sina is completely flat whereas in the manga it is told that it's elevated/has a mountain http://38.media.tumblr.com/236a400a0...suto1_1280.jpg
I meant that the black lake spots inside the walls were shaped like Africa, Australia and Greenland. There isn't really any rhyme or reason to it, but there you go.
But yeah, the huge black spot could be depressions or just unexplored land.
Also it's weird how much water comes from that mountain. I know that snow on top is probably providing it, but wouldn't a lake usually be more likely to form such abundant rivers,?. I'm not an expert in rivers, but I just find it a bit odd.
According to Isayama's dimensions, the walls are much larger than that.
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Even though these spots aren't in place like on Earth for a second I entertained a thought that this world is reversed - where we have oceans and other water there is land in their world and vice versa. But besides the placement of these black spots also its scale isn't right.
Now that I think of it why won't they travel down the river in a boat? It would be way safer than to ride on horses between all those titans.