Hahaha, i wish I was a betting man. I actually bet on Stan. He can destroy anyone when he's on fire...as he has been this whole tournament. Stan has now beaten Nadal/Federer in a slam. And Novak twice. He beat Novak and Fed to win..he earned it.
Novak beats Nadal, loses to swiss guy.
My pick is Serena in three.
Pick for the men? I'm really hoping it's Federer in 4. If it goes to 5, I don't think his body could take it.
I support Djokovic and don't like Federer, so naturally I'm going to pick Djokovic. I'll say Novak in....five. I'd like to say four, but I feel like he'll donate away a set at some point.
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Djokovic wins in 4!
Booooo!!! I stopped watching after the 3rd set. I knew he'd lose at that point; so sad. I wonder if there'll be a better chance for him to win a slam again.
Idk how you can dislike Fed/call him a "prat" and then fucking support Novak and Serena who have had many unsportsmanlike/assholish incidents throughout their careers. The line judge incident in 09, 0 credit to her opponents i can go on and on. The tour AND the fans didn't take to Novak like they did Fed or Nadal (i remember roddick calling him out on his BS retirements in the 08 open, retiring from matches he's going to lose,imitating players behind their backs in the locker room, mocking Nadal publicly on twitter etc) until he tried be as politically correct/well loved as possible so he can be as popular as the "swiss prat" and Nadal lol.
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Anyway, Fed has plenty of asshole moments. The press conference after Novak beat him and the bitching about the "lucky shot." The faux comforting Roddick while they were standing there after the 2009 Wimbledon Final. Bitching at Novak's parents (admittedly, they were out of line). Mirka, not Fed himself (but still), bitched at Stan. If you're going to say that Serena doesn't give credit, take a look at Fed. His losses to certain players always come with bs in press conferences. Fed's in no way the classy person Fed fans make him out to be.
I'm okay if people are up front about things, but hiding behind a facade and then having targeted snide comments is worse than being upfront about things. To be honest, I enjoyed the imitations at the USO.
In terms of the Wimbledon crowd, I think that they're the worst crowd in a "massive event" in sports. They even supported Fed over Murray. They couldn't even root for their own countryman? Shameful. The shouting in the middle of points in an attempt to distract Serena or Novak is pretty awful as well.
If federer is humble then people would call it false humility. I don't really expect anything less than confidence from someone who broke/hold so many of the games records. When you don't like a player I guess it's impossible to be unbiased. Janowicz had an interview in 2013 where he called both Novak and Federer fake..so who can really say?
Fed isn't a saint. No player is, Rafa was being a brat just this year when he requested Carlos Bernades the chair ump to never umpire one of his matches again simply because he was enforcing the godamned rules of the ATP...that's some diva BS.Quote:
What's he supposed to do after the final gloat? Roddick was known for his Mcenroe esque tirades against chair umps, called out Novak on his BS injuries (which novak tried to retaliate with causing him to lose the crowd at the USO until next year). So he's no saint either lol. Fed gives credit sometimes and he also discredits his opponents. Every player does it. Until 2015 every time rafa lost a big match there was an excuse. Tired, Injured, My parents are fighting etc. Serena pretty much never gives credit. You've said you only follow big tournaments but i pretty much follow the tour the whole year, i have my reasons for feeling the way i do. Novaks parents were obnoxious, everyone knows this. I don't think fed was out of line. Mirka was, but if you can blame fed for what she said then you can blame novak for his parents.
What about Novak on twitter w/ Tipsaravic pointing a fake gun at novak asking "how much would rafa pay" when Novak was on a streak VS Rafa? is that classy?
Tispy took the picture down (naturally) but it's floating around.
Or how about novak telling the crowd to lick his d*** in Serbian because they were rooting for Dimitrov?
How about novaks press conference after being down 4-6,4-6 and then retiring against Nadal in 2006 FO and claiming "i had control of the match" Novak would not go on to beat Nadal on clay until 2011. Or at RG until 2015. Lol.
Fed's no Saint, and you don't have to like him, but don't paint other players in a different light when they're apparently birds of a feather.
This is personal bias...you enjoyed the imitations others thought they were inane and immature. There is a reason he stopped them.Quote:
The Parisian crowd is far worse. Maybe you never really noticed but Federer and Nadal get rooted for everywhere they go. The french crowd will be evenly split when fed plays a frenchmen. Also who says you have to root for someone just because they're from your country? Nationalism really has no place in an individual sport like this. Do you think the crowd should have been rooting for Isner over Monfils in that USO 2013 match? Also maybe they didn't root for murray because he can be pretty unlikeable on court. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FMm...ature=youtu.beQuote:
In case you can't hear: "No one on the tour likes you. Everyone hates you"
Rosol had it coming...but that's not really a display of class? I've yet to see Federer, or even Novak do anything of the sort regardless of any gamesmanship being thrown their way. Every player has their less than stellar moments.
No, but the Fed sheep are the worst there are. Are you saying that Fed fans haven't been obnoxious since the beginning? Me saying that he's a prat isn't very much in the scale of bashing.
Yeah, that was a terrible moment by the ATP to listen to Rafa. Rafa was being a brat. I'd have called out any player who did that.
Well, it's more that I don't watch the clay season that much. I follow the rest of the year for the most part, unless I'm busy.
I'd blame Novak for his parents and I'd blame Fed for Mirka. The only difference is that Novak was never directly involved. I'd have an equal problem if Novak bitched at Fed's parents, for example.
No, the Tipsy gun thing wasn't classy at all, but I don't think any tennis player is really that classy. Some players have some aura they've built up that they're classy, though.
To be honest, I never expected that you would get super upset about me calling Fed a prat. I didn't paint Rafa or Novak in great lights. I simply pointed out numerous incidents showing that Fed isn't the saint that Fed sheep make him out to be.
He stopped them because some people didn't like them. Some fans or tennis officials only want their lily-white perfect Wimbledon as what tennis should be everywhere. It's fair that people didn't like them and it was probably for the better that he stopped them.
No, but with Murray being the great British hero (even though he's Scottish when he loses or voted for independence)...Again, it'a s difference of opinion.
Well, I'd say that most tennis fans don't really enjoy big man tennis, so I'm fine with Americans rooting for Monfils over Inser. I root against Isner. Isner's never been an American hero or come anywhere close to the real business end of a Slam, let alone win one..
I couldn't hear what that said because it was inaudible. Oh, mind you, Murray's pretty bitter and fiery, but I just found it a little...wrong...that they didn't root for him.
Rafa used the rain to great success, but that's not something he can control. The only on-court gamesmanship stuff I can think of Novak doing is the retiring, but that only hurts him, not the opponent. Novak responded to a fan a while back who was heckling him after every point, though, and then the fan shut up. I can't really think of Fed snapping at anyone while he's playing, other than Novak's parents. I can't recall Fed doing any gamesmanship. Indeed, everyone makes mistakes.
I don't think anyone likes Rosol, so I kind of think Murray had a point, but you kind of shouldn't say that.
Basically the tl;dr is i've seen a lot of assholish behaviour in my years watching tennis. And I definitely wouldn't but Fed in the upper echelons of poorly behaved players (kyrgios and tomic are quickly outpacing everyone in terms of controversial statements). It's fine not to like him i suppose but it's just weird to me when those reasons are applicable to a lot of other players.
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