I think it depends on the VA in question, since they all vary in power. I think garp, for example, could fight and even defeat moria, or some other shichibukai, but that wouldnt nesesarily be the case for other VAs, who could probably be defeated by franky or brook.
Ranks arent absulote in OP, just look at smoker. He could probably take most of the shown VA and a few shichibukai.
In fact, both are very similiar in a way. I still think Smoker will be to Luffy what Garp was to Roger...well, not so much as "think" as "hope". In this way it's a shame we haven't seen more Moku Moku...
My main point was that: Because there are 7 Shichibukai, and 2 of these were defeated by rookies most people are putting them all in a lower category. How many people would automatically write-off Kuma against Admirals just because he's a Shichibukai?
Saul was strong.Quote:
Didn't he like, completely pwn 4 of the buster ships by himself?
Anyway, my logic goes something like this. The WG is the world's strongest power, it has authority over all the countries in the world. Of course, Sengoku and the 3 Admirals are the very foundations of the WG, however, they can't be everywhere at once. It seems quite likely that the the 4th-10th most powerful marines should be able to beat a couple of rookies like Luffy or Kidd, or else the WG would have been overthrown ages ago. It is impossible for 3 Admirals to keep the 4 Yonkou, countless pirates and revolutionaries in check without adequate support form the lower ranks, and this includes Vice Admirals and Commodores. Remember, even Garp is a Vice Admiral, and I think he could quite easily beat Moria (yes I know hes a special case, but hes still a VA).
Nah, I just rate Crocodile lowly. I think Moria is very strong, the average VA might not be able to beat him. However, Croc and Moria are the two weakest members fo the Shichibukai. Kuma and Mihawk are on entirely different levels. We can see that even within the Shichibukai, there are huge differences in power between the members, and I think its the same case with the Vice Admirals.Quote:
Pretty sure Ben Beckman, Yasopp, Lucky Roux and Marco are no pushovers either..Quote:
I believe a VA is strong, maybe some are able to defeat Gecko while some not. Garp is entirely a different case. Same with Kaido, I don't think he is that strong, I even believe he is the weakest Yonko.
Given the recent developments about haki, hancock and earn a few points in my book. She could probably be among the stronger shichinukai, even win without using her turning people to stone ability. We know that she can hurt logias and other DF users because of her ability and apparently has a monstrous amount of haki which she still hasnt mastered.
^That was a mistranslation? lol, IDK that...
I know haki wasnt stated to be able to harm logias, but at least it has been heavily implied. And not only for logias but for any DF user. Werent the gorgon sisters able to hurt luffy because of their haki?
Looked to me like Momonga have more trouble fighting a sea king than Captain T-Bone; I think there is a lot of spread within the marines. Hell, look at VA Tsuru, I don't see her taking on Crocodile. I'm still hoping Akainu is a weak fighter, just an unfeeling absolute justice zealot. Maybe with non-combat DF like Mr. 2.
I'd say the VAs at Enies Lobby were all weaker than Lucci, they seemed to think he couldn't lose. Is that what you would think while watching the fight of someone weaker than you? If you can beat them, wouldn't you expect someone else to be able to?
As for the Schicibukai, I'd say the average VA could not take any of them, though Garp, Smoker, or (I'm going out on a limb here) Saul probably could. I'm certain Momonga doesn't have a chance against Hancock; the man has to stab himself just to stay alive, that's not a good way to win a fight. The admirals and/or Sengoku are stronger though, I don't think Mihawk would submit to the WG if they had no threats on him.
Of course he had to stab himself it's the only real way to beat a Sichibuki like Hancock.
All ranks in the Marines seem to have a general strength level with notable exceptions.
For instance, Captain seems to be a fairly weak rank (In terms of the overall power scale). I would put your average Captain... oh, I'd say maybe around Krieg or Kuro's strength? Somewhere in there. But then there are exceptions like Nezumi, who was godawful, and Smoker, who is godhax.
For Vice Admirals, I'd say the average power would be around... I want to say maybe mid-CP9. Maybe Kaku or Jyabura would be a good example of a Vice Admiral's strength, normally. Of course there are exceptions like Garp, who would be a bit too outspoken and rebellious to get promoted to Admiral I think.
As for the Shichibukai... most of them could and SHOULD be able to take out a ship of marines and a Vice Admiral, in my opinion. Garp and other notable exceptions don't count, of course.
I for one am shocked with a lot of people's low rankings Kuma, but I guess we have to expect Mihawk and BB to be insanely strong so they have to be ahead of him but Kuma looks invincible so far does he not? Name one character who the SH struggled so much against than him.
Don't worry Inkovic, I'm with you on that. Kuma is on high tier with them, and he has built quite the reputation for himself lately. He may not be the final boss that Mihawk and Blackbeard are most likely, but I doubt there will be a thick line between his strength and theirs.
On Marines: anything less than admiral has power gaps based on the way they rose through the ranks. Strength is not the only way to rise through the ranks, but it would be a requirement to be an admiral.
No, people are far overrating Kuma.