- This thread is about coming up with training methods, jutsu, etc. that would make lower level shinobi kage level.
- I think Neji could definitely be kage level if he wasn't so insistent on being simply a taijutsu specialist. IMO with his chakra control and talent he could come up with jutsu that can compare with Sasuke.
Here's a couple of jutsu I came up with, that I think are compatible with Neji's fighting style and talents:
Jutsu Name: Heaven's Decree
Rank: S-rank Genjutsu
Characterstic of jutsu:The user of this jutsu releases a huge field of concentrated chakra, similar to kaiten in shape. If the opponent is caught in the field of chakra then the opponent is caught in the genjutsu. Even after the chakra field subsides, the opponent remains in the genjutsu. All those inside the field of chakra are caught in the illusion.
This genjutsu distorts the victims perception of their own chakra. As a result chakra control becomes extremely difficult. For this reason using normal jutsu for the opponent becomes extremely hard and jutsu which require a high level of chakra control become impossible.
Breaking this genjutsu is impossible for a single shinobi, chakra control becomes too difficult for a shinobi to break it on his or her own. The other reason why breaking this genjutsu is impossible to break, is because of the field of chakra.
If the user is skilled they can also show illusions with this jutsu. The illusions shown are limited to creating new human size objects and concealing existing objects.
Requirements: This jutsu requires a large amount of chakra and excellent chakra control.
Jutsu Name:Fuuinjutsu Forced Release!
Rank: S-rank Fuuinjutsu
Characterstic of jutsu:The user of this jutsu performs 3 handseals and places a seal made of chakra on the chest or head of the victim by striking the victim with their palm.
When the seal is placed on the head it forcibly drains chakra from the brain at an alarming rate. This jutsu eventually shuts down the brain, draining the chakra it needs to function. The victim goes through 4 different stages.
1. Cognitive function and awareness slows down.
2. Organs begin to shutdown and control over body functions becomes somewhat limited. Chakra control becomes much more difficult
3. The brain shuts down and the victim passes out.
4. If left uncheck, victim dies.
When placed on the chest, the heart shuts down in ten minutes. The strength is drained from the body as chakra is stolen from the heart. This seal uses the chakra it steals to increase the rate chakra is absorbed and to make itself harder to break.
Requirements: Seal knowledge
Justu Name: Chakra Release
Rank: S-ranked Ninjustu
Characteristic of jutsu: The user of this jutsu increases the flow of chakra in his body, by opening the tenketsu in his body to the maximum. This jutsu gives the user a huge increase in speed, reflexes, power, and chakra. At this point Neji's intellectual capacity surpasses even Shikamaru.
Requirements: Near perfect chakra control.
With Neji's chakra control and Byakugan he could become an amazing medic nin. The Byakugan would allow him to make an more accurate diagnoses, than an normal medic nin. Also, he can hit tenkentsu to increase or decrease the chakra flow in certain areas, and affect damaged organs through the chakra circulatory system. He could even increase his teammates chakra flow to aid them in battle.
IMO if Neji became a medic nin, the most amazing change would be to his fighting style. Neji could use the chakra scalpel like Kabuto and with his new knowledge as a medic nin he could systematically take his opponent apart. Neji's way better at taijutsu then Kabuto, so you can imagine what he would be capable of. With the chakra scalpel he could create a new style, where he targets nerves, organs and vital arteries. His chakra control would allow him to make a chakra scalpel fine enough to reach deep inside his opponent. With his Byakugan he would be able to pinpoint vital spots. He could rip and cut his opponen's vitals.
He could even use his new found knowledge of the human body to make Jyuuken more deadly. By pressing certain tenketsu he can affect affect the body adversely through the chakra circulatory system, which is linked with the body. Imagine if he touched a tenketsu in the head and stopped the chakra flow to an area in the brain. He could possibly shut down other organs or affect the body adversely by touching a tenketsu linked with a vital organ or artery.
If he gets really good at it, he may be able to increase his reflexes and the speed of his thoughts dramatically through tenketsu connected to the brain.
Last edited by En Yang Ji; December 26, 2012 at 02:42 PM.
My only argument against some of this would be the proposition that Neji has enough chakra for one of them. Recall that by the end of his fight with Naruto he was utterly exhausted, barely able to move from chakra loss. Yes he is a good deal stronger now, but I'd put him more on Kakashi's chakra level at most rather than some of the chakra behemoths we've seen like raikage.
On that note Heaven's Decree seems like the least likely possible of the three moves. A wide-area genjutsu is one thing, but making it almost impossible to break by maintaining a large field of chakra seems unlikely. We've seen throughout the series that keeping chakra in a controlled form more than a foot or so from the body is very difficult, its why Naruto throwing Rasenshuriken was so incredible. But to extend a field of chakra a good distance around you and maintain it to keep the victims from breaking out seems like it would be too taxing on the user unless they had an immense chakra pool, and of course the larger amount of chakra you use the harder it is to control it to a fine degree, let alone the ultra-fine degree needed for genjutsus.
Heaven's decree doesn't need the field to be maintained to keep the genjutsu going. When the opponent enters the field their stuck in the genjutsu. If Neji maintains the field it reinforces the jutsu.
Last edited by En Yang Ji; May 25, 2010 at 09:15 PM.
The genjutsu lowers the opponent chakra control to a level, they can't break really strong genjutsu.
Hm...I'm going with Sakura for this one I think. After years of training in the Slug Swamp with Lady Katsuyu, Sakura gains a wealth of jutsu. She still focuses on her healing and medical type attacks, though she takes advantage of her perfect chakra control and goes on to prove why she's known as a Genjutsu type.
Chakra Channel: Sakura places a seal on her forhead ala Tsunade. This seal gives her access to the chakra reserves of her subordinates (within a 10 mile radius) who wear the same seal on their heads. This chakra boost strengthens Sakura's herculean strength even moreso, and can be used to fully heal herself the same way Tsunade did with her own unique jutsu. She can also disperse her chakra amongst her subordinates to revive them if she so chooses.
Neat applications: Pull a SM Naruto and make bunshin weilding the chakra seals on their heads. Need to be revived from a potentially fatal wound? Summon one of the bunshins and absorb their chakra for a heal AND a strength boost!
Nerve Disruption Barrier: Using the same principal behind the electric current that Tsunade used to disorient Kabuto, Sakura charges her body with Raiton. As an enemy hits her with a close range melee attack, Sakura expells the Raiton, causing them to suffer a debilitating shock that ruins the enemie's bodily functions for a moment.
Neat Applications: Taijutsu expert runs in to strike Sakura. She gets hit. BZZZT! Now the enemy is blinking when they should be punching, scratching their head when they should be walking forward, and losing control of their bowels. After laughing, she punches their head off.
Blissful End: Sakura, being a natural Genjutsu type ninja aswell as having knowledge of poisons and medicines, makes Genjutsu that is transmitted through smell. Once the ninja begins smelling cherry blossoms, they're caught. The ninja begins seeing blissful images of what their heart truly desires. As they hallucinate, they're open to attack.
Imagine if he were to carry the world's most poisonous bugs with him at all times, and used them in combat...game over
I'd go for Neji (or medic ninja). The principle is to hit the hypothalamus (within the brain) in such a way that it distabilize the body temperature control.
-By using that technique properly, one could make his opponent's temperature rise up out of control and the more he/she would move or redirect chakra within the hypothalamus zone would only quicken the progress (in other words, forget chakra-based medical ninjutsu).
The opponent will then suffer a hot and harsh death as the body's heat could not longer be regulated.
-Another way to use it would be of course in the way, meaning that the body temperature would get lower and lower and the enemy won't be able to endure the ambiant temperature if it's not low.
Tip: Use it in the desert... troublesome death, once again.
Chirurgical precision required (Neji) and both heartless and creepy death guaranteed. S-class
For Temari now.
Name: fuuton Make it blow no jutsu
How to read: Combination of a Fuuton to stop and seal the opponent in a defined zone to then blow him/her up by lowering the atmospheric pressure from all directions/forcing air in or crush him/her by increasing the atmospheric pressure.
Tip: For more suffering, just take all the air from their lung out.
A or S-class: Kinjutsu.
@ninjabot: Does Blissful End put the opponent under a genjutsu and poison them? If so, what is the effect of the poison?
- I came up with some jutsu for Sakura:
Jutsu Name: Shinsoku (God Speed)
Rank: S-rank Ninjutsu
Characterstic of jutsu: By combining the power of Shunshin with Oukashou (Tsunade's enhanced strength jutsu), Sakura is able to reach speeds that surpass human limits. Sakura focuses a massive amount of chakra in her legs. Her legs explode with power, leaving massive crater's in the ground The downside of this jutsu is the amount of stress it puts on the legs. For that reason it can't be used long and has to be used in short burst.
Requirments: Large amount of chakra, excellent chakra control
Jutsu Name: Sound God's Ritual
Rank: S-rank Genjutsu
Characterstic of jutsu: Sakura uses her chakra to create a long range, ultrasonic sound wave that reaches 20 feet all around her. When the sound wave hits the opponent is under the genjutsu. This genjutsu is a double layered genjutsu. Even if the opponent "breaks" it the first time, they would still be under the illusion. Sakura is able to create limited illusions. She can can hide her location and create illusionary clones of herself. A master of this genjutsu can regularly emit the sound waves, reinforcing the genjutsu and making it harder to break.
Since this jutsu can be used in any stance and affects the opponent through an ultrasonic sound wave, it's nearly impossible to detect.
Requirements: High intellect, excellent chakra control
With Shinsoku Sakura would be able to reach her opponent in an instant, whatever the distance is, and hit them with her super strength. With Sound God's Ritual she could create an opening at nearly any time.
Jutsu Name: Five Sense Domination
Rank: S-rank Genjutsu
Characterstic of jutsu: Sakura creates a blue aura around her body. As soon as the opponent sees that aura, their under the genjutsu. The opponent is under the genjutsu even if the aura subsides. Despite the name of the jutsu, it's effect reaches beyond control of the five sense. This jutsu is a genjutsu of the highest caliber.
Not only can Sakura manipulate the opponent's senses as she pleases with this jutsu, but she can lower the opponent's reasoning ability and awareness steadily.
What's particularly deadly about this jutsu is the fact that along as the opponent is looking at the aura their going to be under the genjutsu no matter what. Fighting Sakura we'll be much more difficult while she is using this jutsu, because they have to look at her to fight her.
If Sakura decides to keep the aura up it puts a deadly strain on her. Even though she can keep the aura up while fighting, since it takes a good deal of chakra and concentration, it puts a lot of stress on her. Also her fighting ability will be lowered because of the concentration needed to maintain the aura and because of the stress.
Requirements: 30% of Sakura's maximum chakra to simply initiate the jutsu, high intellect, Excellent chakra control, significant amount of concentration, in depth knowledge on how the human body works, medium amounts of chakra over time if Sakura decides to maintain the aura.
Last edited by En Yang Ji; May 27, 2010 at 10:56 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
@Kio: It doesn't poison aswell... but sure, why not? I just think that Sharingan and normal Genjutsu are telegraphed a bit, and eyesight can be avoided (with difficulty). If the enemy hears or smells the Genjutsu trigger, they're trapped. You can't hold your breath indefinately, right?
Why do you people assume that "Kage-level" moves are all S-rank?
How many S-rank moves did we see Hashirama use vs Orochimaru? 1? How many non-S ranks?
S-ranks (and likely SS-ranks, as I believe the next step would be called, since Kishi's brother had SS-rank O-Parts in Satan 666) are labelled that way due to their difficulty, chakra consumption, or sheer capacity for effect/damage (often a combination of the above). Naruto using FRS aside, people don't run around using S-rank techniques all willy-nilly; they might be a trump card to win the fight once the foe is clearly incapable of dodging, but that's about it.
Maybe it would be more interesting to work on how people could use lower ranked Techniques (Like B or A) to their advantage to make them incredibly useful (ex. Naruto's KB's vs Pain, and how he turned them all into rocks at the right time. Simple stuff, B-rank and E-rank moves, but timed perfectly to counter Shinra Tensei and win the fight).
It was an S rank move that got Sarutobi his most significant attack on Orochimaru. It was Edo Tensei (S-rank) that was Orochimaru's most used jutsu in their fight.
Just saying, no one's ever had a make-or-break use of a D rank jutsu against a high ranking opponent. It was Naruto's combination of an S rank jutsu, B-rank jutsu, and D rank jutsu that let him put down God Realm remember. Sure, a better ninja with weaker jutsu would beat an amateur with S ranks most likely, but that depends on the hax-level of the jutsu.
The jutsu doesn't make the man. But it sure helps.
Justu Name: Kuikku shōkan bunshin (KB quick summon)
Rank: A-rank Ninjutsu
Characteristics of justu: The user of this jutsu uses a extremely quick handseal, that's too fast to see.This jutsu allows the user to control where kb is summoned within a 15 foot radius of the user. Also the user of this jutsu can summon an already existing kb to a different location. In application it looks like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA0Xx7nrhvM (make sure to watch the first minute)
The only two known users of this jutsu are Kakashi and Itachi. In the hands of a master this jutsu is extremely effective.
Requirements: Knowledge of the handseals, extremely quick handspeed, knows KB
Is Kakashi considered kage level?
Last edited by En Yang Ji; May 30, 2010 at 06:58 PM.
i will go with shikamaru since noone else did it will surely be fun
as a starter he will study all the battle tactics in existance and take strategic battles to another level . be it team battles or single , he will learn every single trick on earth
he will use more and more equipments like the kunais with seals on them to trap the enemy in shadow bind or some others with new seals to strenghten the binding grasp of the jutsu .we all know his grasp has its limits and can only go as far as shika can keep it but with these new items the burden will be decreased and it will depend on how many more kuneis he can throw on the shadow . let me say with so many he can even hold raiton armor activated raikage in his place !!! he will use kunai and shuriken versions together.
he will work on his shadow movements much harder since we saw that they can grab and throw kunais ,there comes endless possibilities with it for him to hit the target . he will split his shadow in as many branches as possible and spread them all around the arena . in this sense his tactics will resemble hirashin because instead of 4th's teleportations his shadows will work for him from each angle simultaneously and will create and ocean of special kunais with different seals on them.
shika will work his lazy ass really hard and get into this seals area really good. he will work his brain off untill he can get there ( well i dont expect him to built jutsus like shiki fuujin or the four element seal but he sould find some useful ones -doesnt matter borrowed or self-created- which can help him in any way)
he should at least be able to use the scrolls ten-ten uses .this way he can obtain endless weaponary really fast .he should also learn shadow shiruken and shadow kunai moves-shadow kunai can be something he created himself with his shadow skills .he should be able to iflict his own shadow powers into any weapon he uses . a thrown kunai or a shuriken or a sword or a needle or a spike etc. he should be able to create shadow versions of them all . (ex: a shadow kunai hidden under the real kunai and also if it hits your shadow you are binded already)
he will have this little seal-written papers with him .a lot of them ,enough to never run out .this seals on the papers will have 2 different ability . in daylight when the certain seal is performed(or said) the papers start to enlarge . they can get from 2,5cm x 2,5cm to 4m x 4m .this way he can get spontaneous shadow sources during battle .
and as the second ability of the seal in addition to enlargement, with another seal performance they start to shine in the dark with a bright and white light .this will too help him get spontaneous shadow sources in the dark .
after him gaining some experience with seals and all ,he can work on some bigger jutsus .normally when he traps an enemy he is also trapped into mirror movements and it can be nasty sometimes . now this new tech will be a huge sealing jutsu to hold people in different ways.not to forget he will always need a lot of time to prepare so he cant use this in the beginning or before he can completely bind everyone to a degree. he will again use his seal-kunais and shadow movements and draw a seal line around the enemy . after the seal is done and the magnificently cool illustration is ended (xD) there will appear giant shadow hands within the seal and they will begin to squeeze the enemies (lets say everybody gets effected within the lines of this seals . there can be 2 versions of it ; smaller shades on each individual to keep them or one giant couple of shadow hands to keep 1 strong enemy)
after its done they will be binded with godly power and they wont be able to move for a while .now shika can even cut his shadow link and they still wont be able to move . they can be killed easyly . this tech will work perfectly in team battles where the others can buy enough prep time
he will study on each konoha tech and each clan's special ability ,he will get whatever he can find that can be useful to him .soldier pills,special pills from akimichi clan ,dog whistle from inuzuka clan(you never know when it can be useful) etc .
he may have his own summon unit like kakashi's ninja dogs . they would work just fine
after all these strategic materials , he needs something for protection . he is still so very weak against super fast or super strong enemies
he will create a shield with his shadow .since they can choke people or touch objects , its safe to assume they can turn into a solid substance if wanted . he will create this shadow layer over his body and use it like an armor .this can give him the chance to trap enemies into 1 fake openning and after taking the hit he can get them . the strenght of this shadow armor is wide open to discussion tho . i cant estimate how much damage it can absorb but surely if he uses some pills its density and durability will change
this may be a little far-fetched but could he be able to move inside shadows ? i know its actually different from shika's way of using shadow skills but if he can learn something like that,it could be cool and shika would be much more stronger.i wont start to give examples assuming he can because it would take too long but if he really can move inside shadows , im sure you can already imagine how broken it could be with shika
he will use shadow bunshins . i didnt say "kage" bunshin because this is different from what naruto's using . he will create this bunshins with his own shadow power ,they are nothing more than mere illusions so shika's chakra wont be splitting . he can use this tech to just create confusion.
i think this is all i can come up with ... for now ... but he looks kage level already ,doesn he ?
Lee will start using a very durable dagger and spam gates more (he no longer cares if it damages his body) and does not wear gates any longer. If he does this, he should be able to beat a lot of people very fast. Dagger to the throat ftw (wouldve beaten Gaara during their fight)
all ninjas carry sleeping pills, easy wins.
Shino gets Torune's bugs (he's fully clothed anyway) and can attach explosive tags to his flying kikaichu.