These are all either ranks or titles. None of these are any sort of power indicator other than in a broad sense. For example, a Jounin should theoretically be better than a Gennin. But even then, it's a generalized and broad judgment since by technical terms, Naruto is still at the Genin rank and he can outclass many Chunins and even Jounins currently IMO.
The ranks do reflect a certain proficiency that is certain, but it isn't a power ranking. It gets even more iffy when you get into specific titles like Kage and Sannin. Kages vary a lot with different periods of time & different villages. A Kage is simply the village's most adequate(and strongest in most cases) leader at the time he/she is elected. There isn't any power or skill threshold for being a Kage as far as the manga is concerned. In fact, the power threshold is dependent on the rest of the village. If a village consists of weaklings, their Kage is likely to be weaker than the Kage from a stronger village since this Kage(the one from the stronger village) has a higher bar set by the rest of the village from which to distinguish himself/herself.
So really, most of these assumptions are readers' interpretations to generalize and average the powers of people in a rank rank/title and use that as a "power rank".
Sorry, kai-uchiha, I didn't read many of the latest posts prior to posting my own. If our ideas were much the same, then good. If they contradict, then.... well, I stated my reasonings.
As for each being "generic terms of power", please note that the Chuunin Shiken[Exam] help moderate the power of at least 1 promotion process, so that means the Genin / Chuunin ranks, at least, have some kind of universal setup for power, and I'd presume Jounin has something much the same, as well, though who knows.
But it once again falls to this: If you want to say "So-and-so is as famous as the Sannin", then say that. Don't call them Sannin, or "Sannin-level", as they aren't one of the [Legendary] THREE ninjas, and each of the Sannin had very unique abilities, so comparing someone to all 3 is... kinda difficult to do. Not many people have the endurance of Jiraiya, the Jutsu of Orochimaru, or the Strength/Knowledge of Tsunade, all in one...
if your trying to categorize ninjas by their pure power ranking there should be another way. this just confuses the village rankings with the actual power of the ninja. being a kage doesnt necessarily mean your the most powerfull person in the village, its more like the kage is the embodiment/president of the village. mind you at least in the leaf the kages have been amongst the most powerfull characters, but it has just as much to do with character and experience(and a will to do the paperwork lawl). special jonins are by no means more or less powerfull than a jonin, they are just "specialized" in thier area. while a standard jonin uses 2 elements and so on, a specialized jonin could be focused in 1 type, or a special offside jutsu(shadow,puppets, ino's mind junk,and so on),Lee would become a speical jonin, or at least thats how ive gathered it. the problem with using the ranks offered in the manga is that the narutoverse is a lot like the real world in this instance, there are weaker people in higher ranks( gaara), and much stronger people in lower ranks(naruto).The Anbu is a perfect example. they are suppose to be the elite(and they have had a few) but from what little weve seen from the random anbus(and even sai and yamato) i dont think they are all THAT powerfull vs some of the other characters.
this being said, im sure that naruto in pure power is on kage level, but i and many other think that hes not ready for the hokage title, because its more than that. because even with all that raw power
theres just too many variables lol.
then again this is part of why i like naruto, its got a lot too it. but time and time again i say this. i REALLY wish kishi would delve into jutsus and power levels and little more.
Whoa whoa whoa...
I let it slide a while but it just keeps coming up.
Gaara isn't Kage level? Have you honestly not seen what he can do? His ability is tough for ANY ninja to combat against leaving only the most elite to take him on. Honestly, Deidara used an advantage that could be used against most Kage. Does that make him stronger... not necessarily. Look at the skills, because it's obvious they are there.
Gaara mops the floor with prominent Jounins like Asuma, and Kurenai. I think in terms of power he could take out Zabuza solo, and his ability can be used in such a way where multiple opponents can be taken down simultaneously. By extention, Gaara could fair well against even Pein.
Anyways, a Kage is determined by having the power to protect your village. If that's not Gaara, then nothing is.
IMO gaara is kage level although it is mostly due to the nature of his fighting stile. In a way he also is the perfect kazekage for the village, basically the entire desert is his shield and weapon and he can use it to protect the village with no problems at all. IMO what deidara did to win is the only thing in the entire manga that can be considered a cheap shot lol.
i think gaara was beginning to show signs of becoming a great hokage, but i still dont think he is as powerfull as some of the lower rank characters, nor as mentally sound.
sorry lol gaara vs other kages hes probally the weakest one. my arguement had nothing to do with gaara anyways. throw one name and a fanboy is bound to freak xP(im joking im joking! =D) i was merely pointing out using the ranks the village uses to define someones actuall power lvl doesnt really work. because so many people on so many many levels are SO different.
and i really dont understand the "sannin lvl" arguement. the sannin are 3 ninjas. its not a rank, its a title specificly for j-man, granny, and michael jackson.
Last edited by Pantsu; February 19, 2009 at 10:15 PM.
I think that what people are failing to realize, especially in terms of various characters like ANBU, is that the quality of a ninja isn't just based on fighting ability. People assume that ANBU are supposed to be top notch and all, but ANBU are people who specialize in murder. You can be weak as hell and still murder someone. Special skills also play a role. Look at people like Shikamaru. He's not that strong, but he's smart as hell and his justu can kill a guy without them knowing what hit them. Ninja by nature are about sneaking and being underhanded. It just so happens that we see the big power fighting and not the missions that include the everyday stuff like intelligence and assasination.
lol i give up. i was using gaara as an example, my arguement is you cant really use the Village titles as a true power ranking system. because gaara is a badass, but obviously not as powerfull as other kages from other villages, sure he might be "kage lvl" for the sand, but by this idea, it would mean that hes more powerfull thank kakashi(which i think he could beat in the right circumstances) and on equal footing with people like madara and the first hokage, which i call bullshit lol. theres a reason the databooks have the stats in them, and gaaras stats arent by anymeans the highest.
i just get sick of seeing people say things like "kage lvl" or "sannin lvl" or "jonin lvl" when there were so many kages, SO different from eachother. Sannin is a NAME given to 3 specific people and has nothing to do with anything except for the fact that they gave Hanzou the Salamander a run for his money, and we have no idea how powerfull Hanzou was.( i would love to see some more from him i thought he was awsome looking!) the ranking system is too wide, or is completely ignored( in narutos case)period.
^^Lol, don't give up. What I said wasn't directed at you, I just meant in general. But what I will say is this, how could you even say he's not as powerful as other Kages if you don't even know them? We only know of Hokage, Raikage and Kazekage, and even so; we barely know how strong some of them are i.e. Raikage. As for the DB stats, people shouldn't get fooled by those in some cases. Gaara is a stationary fighter, all he uses is sand so it would only make sense that he had low taijutsu; among of areas.
You're right, Salamander Hanzou and his summon looks dope, everything about him spells beast. I love the rain ninja who use the breathing mouthpieces.
in stead of sainn level we could just say kage level it seem fair cause sainn is a name given to jaryia, tsunade and orochimaru but they all are on the same or can beat other kages and could take the job of the kage. Other ninjas that are this level has to be White fang, Sasori, Itachi, We can argue Naruto but we can say he is high jonin level like Kakashi and Saskue because he doesn't know his own power and Naruto cause his Sage mode has some kinks to it but with their full potential is extremely high
Now what is "Kage level" though? I mean, a Kage is the strongest person from a village(and its best leader), but that's a subjective term from village to village. For example, Kiri's strongest might not be in the same league as Konoha's strongest, yet by the definition, both these people would hold the Kage title.
Gara is Jounin level at best..... by Konoha standards... I'm sure a true Hokage like J-man would finish off Gara in two moves... or Oro... (Tsunade is still up in the air..)
Tsunade should be Jounin level.... I haven't seen her in a true fight. She beat Oro ( being handicaped. Can't use his arms... to form Jutsu's) I'm sure that Kakashi would be able to beat Tsunade. Kakashi lacks the stamina required to create powerful jutsus, but his wide array of jutsus are impressive. Kakashi compared to the Third Hokage... They are both have a wide array of jutsu's but only the Third can can create jutsu's that require large amounts of chakra over and over again. Kakashi would be on his knees after one or two jutsu's that require massive amounts of chakra. So my point is that Kakashi is Jounin level. Naruto vs Kakashi.. well lets ask Pain who is stronger... Naruto lacks only the skill, but is quickly climbing his way up the ladder. Naruto is easily Jounin level, but can also be considered Hokage level. Sauske is also Jounin level, but Hokage level.. I don't think so. Give him the CS2 back with white snake power and he'll be Hokage level. Everyone else... who cares...