Chapter 1 "Kishin...Once More!"
Continuation of the match from 2 months prior (not a flashback basically)
Kintarou: You..gotta be kidding me...
Kintarou and the audience are stunned
"Just now...did it look like Oni just disappeared?"
Byoudouin: ...Today sure makes the old scar ache a bit
He removed his headband and reveals a large scar across his forehead
Byoudouin: "The Oni who defeated me 2 years ago has returned"
"Game and First Set! 1st Sting - Oni, 6-3! Second Set!"
"This is really a game between a child and an adult"
Kintarou...Fu...Fungiii! I can't see Old Man Oni's shots at...all
Random High Schooler: Oni-sempai...did he really defeat the No. 1 of the first string, Byoudouin-sempai!?"
Irie: I'd head that too, but...
2 years ago, Oni and Byoudouin were called to this camp
When they were both suddenly thrown into a pair match, it was Oni's win
Byoudouin was sent to the cliffside since he lost
He spent his days and nights constantly training in order to overthrow Oni
and returned having obtained a power from a different dimension
On the other hand, for one year, Oni was the strongest All-Japan player and no one could beat him
Irie: and then one day, as he continued standing a top the pinnacle,
he decided to take the duty of rearing us and raising the level of play amongst the rest of the reps
Tokugawa: That's why he continued to take the form of the 5th Court Gate Keeper until a new Generation rose up.
Irie: However....this is the firt time for me as well...seeing Oni's true strength.
Sanada, glances at the court from som far off place
"Game 1st String 3-0 Oni!"
Kintarou: Shi...Shit! God Dammit!
Oni: Is your attack over already, Kintarou? Your Knees are laughign at you!
Oni: What's wrong...Didn't you say you're become the No. 1 Tennis Player in Japan?
Kintarou is completely exhausted
Kintaro was an opponent who was equal with Ryoma WITHOUT Standard Hyakku Ren. He couldn't beat that Ryoma.
Yukimura crushed the Ryoma that was equal to Kintaro. Your statement makes no sense.
After Kintaro lost to Yuki, if you saw how Yuki crushed the Ryoma that Kintaro couldn't beat, don't you realize how stupid it is to assume Kintaro was better than Yuki?
Whereas Tezuka had the ability to edge out Yukimura in a match back in PoT.
So it has nothing to do with plot power.
Yukimura had to have the best technique in the series and it was nothing to do with plot.
He was known to be Sanada/Tezuka tier even when he was in a hospital bed so regardless of plot he was going to beat Kintaro.
Sanada and Tezuka would have beaten Kintaro in PoT too.
And Kintaro being the initial main character is irrelevant because its simple. He wasn't the main character.
However, right now, Kintaro should slap Yukimura across the court just like Ryoma did in the final.
I'm just stunned... What's the point in giving Kintaro TnK right now I wonder.
He is now the best in the camp.
Well I'm just glad it means I don't have to see him play again. I can't stand Kintaro matches in the manga. All he does is bounce around in couple of panels, gets hurt, screams around and suddenly does something completely illogical and wins.
Whilst in the anime he might have the most entertaining tennis since backflips around the court look great when animated.
Wow... so Kintaro is now God tier with Tezuka...
Thing is, Tezuka would still be above because Tezuka Phantom + TnK, or... Saiki + TnK is probably better than just TnK on its own I reckon.
And Sanada/Akutsu pair sounds a little annoying because we want Sanada in Singles but lets be fair, Ohmagari and Tanegashima both look awesome.
Tanegashima is self explanatory, but remember that Ohmagari is the bastard that thought Atobe and Niou might be wack just because they were aced twice by freaking Mach Serve.
We all want to see Black Aura, but most importantly have Sanada remove the retarded eye-patch.
Does he think he's Roronoa Zoro the Pirate Swordsman? I can't take him seriously until he gets rid of it.
Echizen win? Main character plot power!
So why can't Yukimura power be coming from his power as PoT Last Boss? Why can't someone say Yukimura had Yips only because he's the last boss? The reason I say that is just simple. All the plot argument sickens me. The same way the main characters is given insane boost due to main characters plot power, the last boss is also given insane power due to their last boss position. Those arguments are really stupid to me.
Konomi even considers not to have Rikkai in the final at one point. It would have been the foreign team instead. Sure, he change his mind, but would Yukimura be given insane power like Yips still at that point? You have to takes all these into consideration if you really want to argue from the plot point of view.
And Tezuka above Kintarou ain't quite confirm too. Tezuka does have all that techs. But Kintarou have 10 balls. We can go through the debate of how "X balls" doesn't matter again, but I'm kind of done with that argument, seriously.
Last edited by -Ken-; February 28, 2013 at 12:54 PM.
Ryoma was using Muga yet both were producing the same sweat after their one-point match. I would say his stamina is equal to Ryoma's.
I would say Ryoma is above him in technique whilst Kintaro is above him in Strength. Besides that they probably have equal stats.
And... Tezuka has TPhantom and Saiki in addition to Hyakku Ren and stuff on top of TnK.
I don't think we can say Kintaro is better than Tezuka.
If you go by the plot then Ryoma has to have like a 6 or 7 in stamina since Atobe is 5 in stamina but Ryoma outlasted him in a tiebreaker way back and he was using Muga which uses up stamina way faster.
But I'd say in addition to plot power it's more like Ryoma has a strong mental so that he doesn't collapse despite running out of stamina. In fact I have no problem if they say Ryoma has a mental of 7 or better.
I'm not talking about Yips. I'm talking about Yuki defeating Kintaro.
He was always going to be better than Kintaro because he was known as Sanada tier back when Konomi had planned to have Nagoya as the final boss.
So your argument is really stupid.
If back when nagoya was going to be the final villain, Yuki was already known as the Rikkai CAPTAIN. So it means he just edged out Sanada in ability, regardless of being main boss, as long as Sanada remained strong, Yuki was too.
I'm not arguing from plot. YOU are.
Yukimura without plot still couldn't have lost to Kintaro. Although w/out plot it would have been a much closer match since with no plot he wouldn't have had Yips but Kintaro still couldn't have beaten him since he was equal with the Ryoma that didn't even have Hyakku Ren.
And Sanada will shit on Hyakku Ren by itself. If Sanada will, then Yuki will since if Yuki was the captain back when Konomi planned Rikkai to lose in the final, then we knew that Yuki and Sanada are basically equal.
Seriously, to say Yuki couldn't have beaten Kintaro in PoT without plot is just unfair.
Chapter 2: Off Court Battle Conclusion!
Ryoga and Akutsu are having a match with 10 balls. Ryoma is watching
Ryoga: "...Man, No one likes annoyingly persistent bastards like you"
Akutsu: "Who cares! Bring it!!"
Ryoga's left hand starts to glow like Byoudouin's did, he hits the lit up shot
Ryoma, seems to return the shot himself, Akutsu gets pushed to the side
Akutsu: "Brat!?" (TN: Kozou, the term he uses for Ryoma)
Ryoma failed in fully reurning the shot and the ball his the wall of the boarding house. The walla is partially destroyed, the window pan is smashed.
Ryoma and Ryoga stare each other down
Ryoma: "...Hey Akutsu-san, Can you please go over there?"
Ryoma: "Seems like I want to play him afterall"
Ryoga: seems you still got that hate of losing from when you were a brat, Chibisuke
Ryoma: Are we gonna do this or not?
Akutsu: "Hey Kozou...stop saying such stupid shit. I have to pay this fucker pack, stop butting in"
Sanada: What foolishness, all of you stop fooling aroun!!"
Ryoga: "Seems a fly in the ointment's appeared"
Sanada: "Come, Akutsu Jin"
Akutsu: "Who the fuck do you think you're ordering around Sanada...I'll smash that fucking head in of yours!"
Sanada: "in the next match...You're going to play doubles with me!"
Last edited by -Ken-; February 28, 2013 at 01:09 PM.
And phantom work against Tenimuhou? Not proof about that. Kintarou Tenimuhou shots aren't Rai, they're way more faster. I think that if Tezuka doesn't have 10 balls yet, he won't beat Kintarou. Stat wise, Kintarou has more stamina and strength, technique we don't know because Kintarou, like Oni pointed, improved greatly in every aspect of his tennis.
So right now, you can't say who is stronger, but I'd say Kintarou until Tezuka gets 10 balls.
Last edited by LetalHawk; February 28, 2013 at 01:08 PM.