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Tvtropes made me realize what a fucked up bastard Atobe is (still love him though)
He's a draco in leather pants, his fangirls ignore the fact that he purposely tried to destroy someones arm, Yukimura is also a draco in leather pants
PoT tropes are awesome...Inui and his batman gambits, Akaya being a blood knight, all of Rikkai being knight templars, Ryoma is a god mode sue
Akutsu. Ryoma won that match ONLY because he was the main character, Akutsu played better.
Akutsu it's absolutely great
You can't go writing off all of the main characters victories has plot devices, Ryoma only had one match where the plot really saved his ass and that was the final.
Akutsu does not play too smart he plays on instinct, that's good but tennis is a tactical game (see Murray, Andy) and Ryoma was more tactical because he practiced, he had the ability to win but not the tactics and this is why Ryoma won.
Ryoma baits Akutsu with a drive A, Akutsu does a poor lob he uses a drop volley, nothing hax about it.
Last edited by Atobe the king; June 15, 2009 at 11:34 PM.
Let's be fair, Ryoma does have some plot hax in every single match.
But let's be more fair, every single match in the manga has plot hax. Why did Sanada beat Tezuka? Because Konomi wanted to make rikkai look threatening.
So saying that X match doesn't count because of plot hax is like saying that the entire series doesn't count. The entire series is an infinite loop of plot haxes.
So therefore, we should always ignore plot haxes when judging a character's skill.
Because if we really stop to analyze the haxes, then we'll come to the conclusion that Horio could beat Yukimura if it was all up to him and Seigaku was losing 2-0.
Lol..TV tropes is also your bible right? thus i think a better term than plothax would be "Batman Gambit" .
Lol, good point. Also, I think we should note that people from Seigaku are the only ones allowed to gain a ThemeMusicPowerUp, and that probably counts for something.
Kirihara is the BloodyKnight, but does Akutsu have a corresponding trope?
Just to directly answer the topic of this thread, as far as we know, Kirihara would destroy Akutsu. Who knows? Akutsu might have gotten serious about tennis and gotten twice as good. But minus speculation and looking at cannon, Kirihara would win.
But on another note, there's no proof that Akutsu is better/faster than Kenya. Show me evidence if you want to make that argument. It seems to me that, honestly, most of the things you say are just speculation.
On the Zaizen argument, I believe he's ok, but overrated at the same time. He is considered a genius, but he was embarrassed because he wasn't even close to returning Tezuka's ball. You say that you can't judge his skill based on one swing, but you also can't judge his skill on just his title. Oshitari is called a genius. Do you think that he can stand on par with Tezuka and Chitose? Honestly, I doubt it. So far the only one that I've seen able to hold the title "genius" is Fuji. I may be biased, but I think that everyone can agree he can back that title up.
Say Roddick loses to Federer, Djokovic loses to Federer, and Nadal loses to Federer.
Does that mean you can judge a match between Roddick and Djokovic by looking at how they played against Federer? No. You can only look at the playstyle of both players. NOT what happened in the match.
You can't say "Well Federer got Roddick on this drop volley, so that means Djokovic and Nadal will beat him." You can't judge like that. You must only look at how the two playstyles will fair against one another.
In fact, Nadal defeats them all XD
Well, I don't think we should be angry because Ryoma will always win, this is a shonen. Akutsu was other victim of that fact.
But the fact is that we have only seen 1 match of Akutsu,against Ryoma. Kirihara also played his first match VS Ryoma, but we have seen their matches against Fuji, Krauser and Kaido-Inui too. So I think we don´t have enough arguments to study the evolve of Akutsu
Last edited by javimgol; June 16, 2009 at 11:09 AM.
In the court I think Kirihara it's more agressive and mad; Akutsu, in the match, was shown as an excellent player, not extremely agressive. He could reach all the balls, was powerful, with good abilities...but he didn´t want to crucify Ryoma like Kirihara did with Krauser
But outside the court, obviously Akutsu it's more dangerous
Outside of the court, Akutsu would literally kill Kirihara. But I don't know, Akutsu is pretty flippin aggressive when he is serious and the guy flies around the court like it's easy.