I'm back (in terminator mode)
i got really scared, because he suddenly remembered me Grandma Sugimoto...
BTW after having called her loud, now I think that all mangahelpers forums needs an exorcism
i can easily tell you that very few foreign players can speak italian so well,
and not only after a couple of months, because there are some who aren't
good at putting a couple of words together after years in clubs
it's so funny to listen at tv interviews after matches
i would say that takahashi took a poetic license
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Pehu: That's not a way to describe a brazilian player, Almieja, Rivaul and Santana are brazilian and they can't talk to birds.
Read the chapter where he's appearing in World Youth again. He already had that kind of link with nature, hence his name.
Moreover, we can't really tell if it's indeed a mystic link... Or just something he made up.
Silen: That's weird and funny to see how they resemble each other here
More of this mystic link stuff? I thought it had died with the World Youth and that fortune teller. Well, Takahashi does like to include silly stuff at times, just to make the story look more dramatic, and fill a few more pages .
what I didn't mention is even more scary
because there's a real living man in Italy who looks like Granma Sugimoto
and, more, he claims himself like a "magician" and fortune teller
(but, of course, he is only a quack and many people say he brings misfortunes,
and like Ataru of Urusei Yatsura, black cats keep far away from him )
look at this and tell me if the two don't look like each other
that's why i always say Granma Otelma
The almost names crack me up. Rail and Fago, I lawld.
Tachyon: It's not "more", it was already part of Natureza's personality. Takahashi just can't throw it away suddenly. Or Natureza would become just another good brazilian player among good brazilian players. And as I've said, you can believe him or not. It's not like we actually saw the birds talking to him.
Silen: With the outfit, he looks much more like a showman than Kumi's grandma
Alexandrius: They're not the last you're going to see... But I guess that this is a good way to have a bunch of great players without having to make a backstory or full introduction for all of them.
I wish Tsubasa a defeat against Naturezza but I don't think it'll happen because it's Tsubasa's first match with the real Barca so he just can't lose.
The only time Tsubasa has ever lost is in the juvenile national tournament. Then, every match with Tsubasa, it's either
- Tsubasa and team are suppressed but miraculously come back at the last moment
- Tsubasa "owns" everybody on the other team
About Huyga's learning Italian, I find that strange too. Most pro soccer players are not very bright. Most don't go to college and even when they are in school, they probably don't pay attention much to learning or training their brains.
p.s. Finally, I stop being a "beginner."
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Shinji, sorry if I didn't made myself clear, I know that it's just Natureza that was described like this. I just had to criticize this silly stuff, because he would never make something like this for a player from another country.
The pure idea of someone who plays soccer so well, even while playing with stones, coconuts, balls of fur and etc, just because he is brazilian, is pretty much how japanese people see soccer in Brazil. That's all Zico's fault, anyway. But they have this wrong image on their mind that every soccer player from Brazil is pretty much a genius, and even pay lots of money for players that here, on Brazil, actually sux.
That's my only complaint regarding the way they describe brazilians on his mangá.
@Silen: That's what I thought. Like I said, if italian is hard for players from other countries, for japanese persons that would be even harder, because of the linguistic divergencies. Anyway, there are smart soccer players, they just aren't that common. lol
I'm kind of curious to know if Alexandre Pato at least tries to speak italian, because he is what I always considered a smart brazilian soccer player, even during interviews.
Pehu: No, Brazil isn't the only country to have soccer geniuses in the manga.
Moreover, look at Almieja, or Pepe, they're Brazilians and not exactly geniuses. It's not brazilians, it's Natureza. He could have been african, or australian, but Japan's last opponent was Brazil.
Look at Pierre, he's the only player seen with a rose in his hands in World Youth, like all french people were like that... But it's not like Napoleon is like that too... It's not like he was influenced by how japanese view french players. It's not french people. It's Pierre.
Not for the part of being a genius, it's for the part that describes him as being one with the nature that bothers me.
For him being a genius, do I need a better example than Tsubasa, or Misugi?
The problem for me is that he had to pick a brazilian to be "one with the nature", and all this crap stuff. It bothers me because nobody learns to do all the things that Natureza learnt by playing with a stone, alone, just because he has this mystical crap about him. Never playing real soccer, except for his friends at a forrest far away from civilization, and then entering on the last five minutes of a World Youth final, and doing things that even pros at soccer never did, like scoring agains Genzo from outside of the area... that bothers me. Maybe I do feel toward Natureza what ~Mail~ feels toward Tsubasa, heh.
But he does not describe Leo and Pepe as geniuses, but they kinda of unbalance the J-League just for being together on the same team, while in São Paulo FC, all that they did was thanks to Tsubasa.
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And again, he's not in touch with nature because he's brazilian, but because he lived in the amazon. He could have been from any other country with wilderness.
And again, you don't know if it's actually a mystic link or just something he makes up. That's a distinctive characteristic of the *character*, just like Hyuga is the tiger, just like Wakashimazu is a karateka... Well, Natureza has nature.
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I was hoping for a quite win of Barça over Madrid...
Guess I'll have to settle for a good game and 3-2 victory for Barça... Either and hattrick or 2 goals and an assist... (Barça will be loosing in the first half of course, but Tsubasa will surely turn the score around...)