Last edited by En Yang Ji; July 18, 2009 at 11:02 PM.
Not at his most powerful?? He blocked a level 88 hado from the Kido Corps Captain with Danku. Aizen was also able to bring Tousen to his knees with just his reiatsu. And Urahara still sneaked up on Aizen. Aizen has probably been hiding his power all this time. Theres no reason to think he was weaker 100 years ago.You don't have to be able to sense reiatsu to sense someones sneaking up on you. And Aizen holds Urahara in high regard, coming from Aizen thats a compliment. And that thing with Ulquiorra should not be considered at all, THEY DIDNT FIGHT. Ulquiorra blocked a Benihime projectile. Thats it.Kubo never cared about showing which was stronger, Ulquiorra was Ichigo's opponent. Shunsui from what we've seen has no projectiles, and hasn't been able to scratch the Primera. Swinging a sword at the enemy and firing a projectile is different, we can't reach a conclusion from that.
It just comes down to speculation and personal opinion, because we've seen not too much from Urahara, and just a few weeks ago we saw Shunsui fight for the first time in Bleach pretty much. And we barely saw anything. I think Urahara is stronger than Kyoraku, simply because Urahara is more important to this story's plot than Kyoraku, and it's possible Kubo will have him fight Aizen at some point in the manga.
And kio's right, Urahara and Yoruichi did not anticipate them being that strong. And Ulquiorra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>unreleased Yammi. Yammi's weak as hell unreleased, compared to captain level characters, and that attack was meant for Yammi.
Last edited by exacta; July 19, 2009 at 12:26 AM.
Theres also the fact that a Benihime attack did blast WW away and WW seems to be stronger than Starrk. It doesnt matter if he wasnt going in for the kill if you're that strong you wont be blown away by something that is weak. If the attack was weak it would have done nothing to WW. The difference between then and b4 is that in the Yami bit Urahara was trying to discipline a gnat(Yami) while in teh second fight hed realised the level that the Espada were at.
Also when it comes to him getting the drop on Aizen and not landing a hit-it doesnt matter that he used a cloak-he at least managed to get himself in the position TO get the drop on him. No one else has ever managed to surprise Aizen and I doubt shunsui could. His Shunpo is probably as good as Aizen's but he doesnt have the smarts to plan ahead in quite the same way as Urahara does.
Kyoraku- he was able to fight on par with Starrk, the 1st Espada, up until he released his zanpakuto.
Meanwhile, Ulquiorra said that Urahara and Yoruichi could defeat him together, but not separately. It is not clear if he meant to say that while including his Segunda Etapa state. Urahara could not have fought Ulquiorra single-handed.
Where does Ulquiorra ever say that? These are the only words Ulquiorra has said to Urahara and Yoruichi:
All he says, is that even with Yoruichi and Urahara defending Ichigo, Orihime, and Chad, he'd still be able to kill them (Ichigo and co. not Yoruichi and Urahara). Speaks nothing about how he would fair against either Yoruichi or Urahara.
I see it even more simply.......Ulquiorra fighting "Urahara+Yoruichi" = difficult outcoming,IMO the two would rape him,excluding segunda etapa......Ulquiorra fighting them while they defend/try to heal Chad,/Ichigo/Orihime near....easy win fo r Ulqui!u can't fight/attack all out if u have to defend someone that can die :-P!
Shunsui VS Urahara.......I gotta give it to Urahara....just him saying that Ichigo has more talent then him,IMO hints that he is one of the more talented shinigami ever alongside Hitsu,Aizen and Gin.
Except young Hitsu,what these guyse achieved in 100 years took Shunsui 1000/2000 :-P
But also,Urahara like Aizen but n a different manner,researched all the way to improve shinigami abilities,which leads to say that they r not only hollowification...
I wouldn't be suprised if he did something to his zanpakoutou or he invented new huber powerful technique like Yoruichi Shunkou....
Not talking about the Bazooka seen back then......he probably has more powerful tool then only his zanpakotou...
There is also another thing. Aizen said to use the Hogyoku to its full potential you need twice the reiatsu of an average captain, which obviously Aizen has. Question is:
do you really think Urahara would make something he could not use to its full potential? If it works best like that, then I would at least assume that its creator also has twice the reiatsu of a standard captain.
Also in terms of plot it is clear that Urahara is a more pivotal character and as a whole, those tend to be stronger. Thats just speculation though.
Well, it doesn't matter whether Urahara has the twice the power of a captain. THat only applies for a non-fully awakened Hogyoku. Aizen can use his 2x captain power+ to momentarily use Hogyoku as if it was in the fully released state, so it only applies when the Hogyoku is not awakened.
THat said, I would not be surprised if Urahara has twice the power of a captain, since it's been hyped/foreshadowed.
I think it matters that you can temporarily awaken the hogyoku with 2xCaptain reiatsu because its all part of its properties which Urahara is responsible for...I could be wrong but this seems to indicate he has that same 2x captain reiatsu which is obviously relevant here.