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I also get the feeling ishida will win this one. For one thing, ishida can actually control his power fully while renji can't. Ishida is also a much better strategist and desicion maker than renji during battle so given what little we have seen. We also saw how renji was able to keep up with the speed of a privaron espada, who in theory should be faster than a VC. I would think ishida is faster than renji. Bankai might give renji a fighting chance but in the end ishida would most certainly prevail IMHO.
He's faster to the point I doubt renji could land a single hit in bankai apart from if he just canvasess the whole area with giant swipes and still I dont think he'd hit. On the flipside Ishida's arrows are very deadly and accurate. Add to that his Light Regen technique, Seele Sneider and that Sprenger technique(massive explosion), his quincy spells, his Heavenly Suit Puppet technique and he is easily too much for renji. Over the series Ishida has grown much more than renji has since their first meeting.
And if Ishida gets some way of using Final Form again it will be a slaughter-Renji wouldnt last 3sec. The way I see it Ishida now is easily captain level (not strong captian but captain nonetheless). In final form id say his overlall stenght is in the highest captain tier/double the standard captain power level. He dispatched Mayuri with such absurd ease and I get the feeling that in final form he could do it to most captains and espada.
ishida may have severely underperformed in HM, but his abilities are very impressive. im pretty sure seele schneider still has some tricks that we have yet to see, aside form being a glorified arrow. renji would have no chance.
I'd consider Ishida to be the second strongest in Ichigo's "crew". Which includes Renji and Rukia.
He's got the speed, while, I don't recall Renji even using shunpo so far (or Kubo didn't make it obvious that he did, just that he could keep up with some of Byakuya's shunpo). Renji's bankai is all brute strength. He didn't even come close to hitting Byakuya in his battle. He swept accross all the towers, causing massive destruction, but not even close to hitting Byakuya who was just using standard shunpo to run away. Menawhile, Ishida has precision arrows, and lots and lots of them, Renji's bankai could probably block most of them, but that leaves him on the defensive. And then once you factor in the seele snieder and other quincy spells, I think IShida takes the win.
As for if Ishida is captain level? Well, if you consider Ishida a weak captain, then you must consider Ichigo an average captain then (not counting his ichigonator form of course).
the reishi around him. i.e it's not his own power. so depending on
the place he fights, the result would vary accordingly.
so I wouldn't rule out Renji so quickly. remember that Renji's snake thing
can also provide pretty good defense by covering Renji. so Renji has an
answer to light regen attack etc. Renji also has a powerful beam canon attack. If it lands on Ishida then I think he will be done for.
I agree, I think he is defo the 2nd strongest. I think Ichigo at the end of the SS arc would i say be a mid tier captain(and just now in his Ulq fight having regained that same or similar level). I think he could beat captains like Mayuri, Tousen and Komamura, possibly soi fon and Zaraki as well but I think in reality if zaraki went all out from the beginning Ichigo would be toast. If we take him as a lower to mid tier captain I think Ishida easily qualifies as a lower tier captain (In final form id rank him as a high tier captain).
dude there's no such thing as a final form.
That tool he used against Mayuri simply absorbs a serious amount of
reishi in his environment. It's not in credit of his own power and for that reason
Ishida himself is not even close to captain level. tbh do you think Ishida's arrows
would even penetrate Renji in bankai? I'm doubtful..
The glove made it harder to collect reishi. When he took it off his ability to collect reishi became much greater, the restraint was lifted.
Last edited by En Yang Ji; August 29, 2009 at 02:35 AM.
I see so all of a sudden he absorbed at a much higher rate than
before. and the surge in reshi helped him make that ultimate arrow.
still the point remains that he relies on his environment and not his own
Renji stands no chance even without final form. why would his arrows not penetrate? Renji's body doesnt get tougher in bankai he just gets that crappy snake to swing around, which he could never hit Ishida with. Imho game set and match ishida Uryu
he's not in control of the reiatsu density in the atmosphere.
where as reiatsu beings produce their own power and don't rely
on independent factors for their strength. So quincy by default
fight on their back foot. However quincy like Ryukken might know
how to absorb a lot more reiatsu. but that's just a guess atm.
higher reiatsu. remember how Ichigo first struggled to even scratch
Zaraki while he still had an eye patch? The difference between bankai renji
and Ishida would be similar to that in regards to arrows.
so I don't think those arrows would penetrate renji in bankai.
and the glove thing is a final desperate attack. If he misses then he's screwed. so having to rely on such a risky move doesn't necessarily mean he would win against Renji. tbh I'm not sure how much faster Ishida is compared to Renji...
Fight Location: Seireitei, Soul society.
-Ishida can use everything he has used in the manga, except for his final quincy form. (Ishida can't use the final quincy form that he acquired momentarily to beat Captain Mayuri Kurotsuchi, in Soul society.)
-Renji can use everything he has used in the manga, including his Bankai.
Second Scenario- (For fun?)
-Ishida has access to everything he has used in the manga, including his final quincy form.
-Renji has access to everything he has used in the manga, including his Bankai.
Last edited by Jackk; November 05, 2010 at 01:12 AM.