The theory of Kyuubi gathering sage chakra is nice but not plausible imo. a NORMAL person needs years of training to achieve sage mode and i doubt the kyuubi wants to commit to that same training. Sage mode gives a boost youre overal strenght by using gathering chakra from Nature, the same thing happens when Naruto draws chakra from the kyuubi. The difference between current Sage mode and the kyuubi chakra is that naruto can actualy mastered sage mode while he cannot control the Kyuubi behind 3 tails which is roughly 1/3 of the kyuubi total strenght. Naruto tossed around Oro when using 3 tails already and at 5 tails he nearly killed oro, Naruto obliterated pain without much while he had 8/9 tails up.
To me sage mode and kyuubi mode are the same since you draw upon a large amount of chakra from a other source then yourself to suplement youre own chakra reserve.
When/If Bee is able to teach naruto how to controll the kyuubi at the same level as hachibi it will give naruto control over the kyuubi chakra thus in theory Fukaku would be able to merge with naruto since the kyuubi itself will not reject him. This will also put naruto in a difficult dillema, since he then has 2 similair modes which enhance him:
1. Kyuubi gives naruto strenght, nearly unlimited chakra supply and enhanced healing and if he chooses to transform into fox mode
2. Sage mode gives naruto enhanced strenght, unlimited narutal chakra.
The con on fox mode is that naruto becomes huge making him a sitting duck however the pros outweigh this.
IF naruto ever manages to be able to use Sage mode and Fox mode he is the greatest chakra monster in the world besides the juubi.
If Naruto controls the kyubi, why he will need the Fukusaku fusion for the Sage Mode?
Right now he can use only 3 clones (i think) to recollect the natural energy.. If he is able to control the kyubi, he could use the Taju Kage Bunshin jutsu to have an almost an unlimited supply of clones to gather the natural energy, and stay in Sage Mode all the time he wants!!
Fukusaku was very usefull to Jiraiya that never figures how to recollect the energy without moving but for Naruto doesnt depend of that..
But of course, thats easy to say.. In the last page of the 495 cap, Killer says that Here you will figth the kyubi!! How in the hell Naruto will fight the kyubi??
an internal fight with the kyubii makes sense, but it would be better if the kyubii is materialized or something... we can all hope right
Also, if a jinchuuriki is able to control their bijyuu, they can't be influenced by genjutsu, don't they? Which protects Naruto from Sasuke's Tsukiyomi. But how is he going to protect himself from Susanoo?
Minato took away half the kyuubi's chakra so the kyuubi has half its chakra sage mode could give replace that half giving the kyuubi its full power.
@ Richo the theory was Naruto using the kyuubi's chakra to gather Natural energy. I dough the kyuubi could gather Natural energy. Since Naruto' chakra can only gather a finite amount of chakra the kyuubi sould be able to gather almost an infinite amount. This gives Naruto the ability to use sage mode for hours if he wanted.
I am curious about something Yamato said long ago. When Naruto turned Kyuubi against Orochimaru, Yamato was surprised that Naruto was able to withstand Kyuubi's chakra and thought that it was because of the strength of his own amazing pool of chakra. I think Killer bee was only able to come to an understanding with Hachibi and not completely dominate it whereas Naruto's chakra strength will play a key role in completely subduing the Kyuubi.
As I certainly agree with what you're saying, I might add its just an assumption for now. Until the training of controlling the Kyuubi ends, we won't know for sure how it really is with Bee and Hachibi. Maybe this training session gave power to control "wild" Hachibi, and BECAUSE of that training Hachibi changed his attitude and became more cooperative with Bee? Yeah, the best option is to wait for the finale of the ongoing training in manga ^^Originally Posted by hawk_eye22
All tailed beast are made primarily of chakra. All Naruto will be doing is killing the will of the kyuubi but the kyuubi will continue to live but a new will comes to play.
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they described the eight-tails as a terrible beast also.who know the relationship bee had with it before he got control?
Once The Chakra is withdrawn from Kyuubi, having separated from its own will, it will inherit the will of the one who has his chakra now...that is Narutos!
Now I believe that Sage mode Occurs only when physical chakra and natural chakra has to be in equal proportions. So Naruto gathers natural energy proportional to his own reserve....now imagine him gathering Natural energy using Kyuubi reserve...imagine the HUGE proportion of Natural Energy he can gather....so much more powerful!
Another thing...either Fukasaku can now merge with Naruto, or like Bee uses Hachi to cancel out Genjutsu...Naruto cud use kyuubi to gather natural energy!
I'm not sure how Kishimoto is going to swing this. It seems that Bee has not separated Hachibi's chakra from Hachibi's will, because as we see, Hachibi is certainly conscious and responsive, and even reflecting upon his old days of mischief. If Naruto is forced to separate the Kyuubi's chakra from the Kyuubi's will, then I don't see exactly how the Kyuubi would serve as an anti-genjutsu measure for him. If Naruto is in complete control of the Kyuubi's chakra, but Naruto is under a genjutsu, I believe it would be safe to surmise that he alone could not consciously utilize his second set of chakra to disturb his first in order to free himself of it. His bijuu needs to do that. And if the Kyuubi's will is unwilling to change, I don't see it happening.Quote:
Either that, or Kishi is going to pull some "After separating the chakra from the will, the evil goes away and the will is nice" plot device, which means that the Kyuubi will be buds with Naruto and he will have a genjutsu counter just the same.
That seriously seems like a total copout though.
@Jspot, I would believe your assumption there to be quite wrong.
Firstly there is nowhere where it is proven either way how or wether hachibis chakra has been split at all.
Secondly I think it would actually be safe to assume hachibis was split as Bee's guiding the training and showing him how to pull the chakra out (with the tentacles before they were sliced off?). Naruto will be able to negate most genjutsu post kyuubi mastery, the question is wether it will matter against the sharingans innate ability to tame the kyuubi.
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