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It will end up in a draw
I have done this thread in different forum before and thought I could do it here as well since here we have different people what means once again different opinions
This topic had a lot of argument and votes were going in a very interesting way back then... The fight was really tough! I wonder how things will go here.
Both are allowed to use whatever technique they have already shown.
I would like to also hear why you think so, not simply the name
Moderator message by: ThornI took the liberty and added few options in the poll.
Last edited by thornofcarrion; December 05, 2010 at 01:41 AM.
Damn Hitsugaya batallas are getting lots of comments. I'd like to get in on this one.
Soi Fon has a hax shikai. She can do some decent kido. Her speed is pretty hax also. Jakuhō Raikōben. damn.
Hitsugaya has ryusenka, sennen hyourou, and hyoten hyakkaso when in bankai.
the kido he's busted out isn't too bad.
I see this batalla having both use alot of kido. Soi Fon is going to give Hitsugaya fits with her speed. No doubt if he gets hit with her haxkai, that ice clone that everyone loves so much will be in use. Hitsu will have to be counterpunching in this one, taking hits and all of that. His objective will have to be for Soi Fon to go bankai and fire 1-2 Jakuhō Raikōbens so that when she is tired and can't get out of the way, Hitsu will need to do a bakudo 63+ to trap her, and then use ryusenka to finish her off. Sennen will work nicely too.
As for Soi Fon, if she gets trapped in Sennen, she will need to use shunko to break free. For her to win, she will need for Hitsugaya to use his ice clone. Once that happens, she could get him off balance with some Raikohos, and then trap him with Rikujoukourou. If that happens, she must work fast to finish him off with her haxkai.
Last edited by Galbert-Kun; December 19, 2009 at 08:39 PM.
I'm gonna say Soifon to take the win.
Her speed is definately superior and has more combat experience. I'd say she's about even on Kidou with Hitsugaya however Soifon's shikai is perfect to go with her speed, whereas Hitsugaya's shikai and bankai slow him down.
If Soifon can force Hitsugaya into bankai all she needs really do is go for Hitsugaya's wings/tail/body, his bankai increases his size which will make more targets for her to aim at so not only does Soifon win, she wins without using bankai.
I think this would be a heavily lopsided battle. Not because Hitsu or Soi Fon are "weak", like haters would like to say; both of them have already proven their worth and power as Captains.
But Hitsu's strongest attacks all seem to require some level of preparation...his faster attacks are weaker and usually can't be counted on to OHKO.
Usually you wouldn't have to kill in one hit to win, but with Soi Fon it's almost required. Soi Fon's great speed (shown to be top tier), combined with her death-in-two-strikes Shikai, can allow her to -- all else equal -- kill Hitsu before he can strike her.
So, once Soi Fon attacks Hitsu once, it's pretty much a guaranteed death. To win, Hitsu would have to keep Soi Fon constantly on the defensive, shoot a bunch of attacks at her and prevent her from recovering or developing a plan. But this would also mean that Hitsu himself cannot spend time to prepare his strongest techniques.
Eventually I believe Soi Fon would win. If Hitsu gets her, Soi Fon will only be hurt (Hitsu can't use his stronger techniques due to lack of time), but if Soi Fon gets him, Hitsu will die.
If Soi Fon starts off with her Bankai though (which I doubt she will since she hates it), then this would be an entirely different story because Soi Fon would no longer have that speed to her advantage. But that has a lower possibility of happening since Soi Fon prefers her Shikai.
Hitsugaya does not die instantly by sheer virtue of his bankai form being an ice dragon that gets all over his body and everything, so defense wise he's not instantly boned for the two hit kill. Oh don't mistake me, it's still entirely within the realm of possibility, but unlike Kenpachi, Mayuri, and Komamura he doesn't pretty much die the instant the battle starts. And like Byakuya he's not supremely lacking in speed, so while he wouldn't be able to outpace her by any means, keeping up with and Reacting to her isn't outside the realm of possibility.
Largely a circumstantial fight. Soifon has to hit him either once with her bankai, or twice with her shikai. Bankai is HEAVILY unlikely to be a direct hit, but a near miss is just as likely to cause damage and throw him off. Shikai is going to be tricky but it's not as unlikely at least.
I'm going to give a slight edge, 55/45 to Hitsugaya, just because a majority of this is going to be Shikai vs. Bankai, and Soifon's bankai has to get damn close in order to work, and even if she does get that close the tail, wings, and ice formations he can use are going to be much more likely to hit, and to block he has just as much ice to work with, a majority of it attached to him already so diverting it just slightly to avoid the second hit is made all the easier. Really if it takes too long he's boned, but getting past the ice in that close a range is going to be tricky. I could easily see it going either way though. Soifon's ability is so hax that the circumstances make such a matchup purely opinion.
Soifon wins this. More exp, haxx skills and great speed differences.
I find it interesting how the two of them are polar opposites lol. Hitsugaya fights from a range(in general) using large volumes of water which cover a great area. By all intents and purposes his bankai is the sky. Soifon fights using close range combat and has limited range. Her shikai deals no damage unless it manages the two hits in the same spot. Given the narure of their combat strategies I would think hitsugaya has a decent advantage here. On the other hand soifon's banka works only at a distance and her limited shunko could prove very useful. Dunno, I will give this some more thought.
Soifon > Hitsugaya. She is faster, stronger, more durable and her techniques don't take as long to prepare bar her bankai which would still WTFPWN almost anyone in Bleach if they took it head on. I dont think Hitsu is fast enough to dodge it.
Yeah, heavily unlikely. The thing moves slow enough (In a world of people who can move instantly of course) that at a reasonable distance anyone should be able to dodge it if they saw it coming, even with the most mediocre of flash steps. Hell, Kenpachi could avoid a direct hit from it if he actually tried. There's no way in hell he's taking a direct hit unless he lets it, or she restrains him with some sort of Kido.
Interesting opinions, basicly it fully depends on situation. In one round Soi Fon and in second Hitsugaya. I agree, things can go both ways.
But here is something I was thinking while reading some comments.
I haven't thought about it before but what kalik2k had said makes me wonde... if his wings will get stabbed twice, will he die? After all they are part of him now.
If not than let's discuss how tought they are. Shunko has great desruction power what could give a very big crack in his defence maybe even fully break them.
And about bankai destruction power, I believe wings wouldn't save him. Just take a look at his fight with Lupi who had fully destroyed his defence with his six extra hands and I really doubt that their power is stronger than her bankai. Also Hachi admited it to have a MAJOR destruction power and he is barrier specialist, so he knows what he is saying.
My point is that wings are not such a big deal if you think about it.
And about dodging... I can't really see it to be dodged... Take look at all Cero attacks. Mostly all of them were taken head on or only slightly missed. The explosion from bankai takes major area so slightly avoiding it won't help. But if it is possible to escape, it still blows you off.
Oh, Hitsugaya dies with a direct hit, no question. Problem is, it's a missile that doesn't move all that fast. Cero, after the chargeup at least, fires instantly. The missile is shown having to traverse quite a distance, and didn't just plain happen instantly. Hell, the only reason Barragon took it was that he's so hax that it was no threat to him the first time, and he couldn't avoid it the second time as the barrier would set it off if he did.
Similarly Kyoraku was dodging those mass amounts of ceros with ease without really using flashsteps. It's easy to dodge them, people are just outright retarded about it.
Further, slightly avoiding it means that, provided it doesn't hit like a wall behind him or something, it doesn't go off in his vicinity. It's a missile, it won't blow up unless it hits something. Hell, a simple well placed flash step would get him far enough away that logically he'd avoid both it and the blast area were that even the case. It's heavily unlikely that he gets with the explosion unless he's either retarded about it, or is restrained somehow. Don't get me wrong, the shockwave is bad enough that it's impossible to avoid, but the boom? Not a chance.
Well, the thing with all this speculation about Soi Fon's Bankai is, will she actually find a reason to use it? Like Hitsu's strongest attacks, Soi Fon's Bankai also takes a fair bit of preparation, and Hitsu won't even need to wait for Soi Fon to shoot it, if you know what I mean. While Soi Fon is Bankai-ing and aiming the missile, Hitsu could just use some ice attack and immobilize her. Short of being distracted Hitsu won't even give Soi Fon time to shoot the missile, so I think Soi Fon's Bankai is a non-issue. I'm pretty sure Soi Fon herself recognizes the disadvantages of using the missile against Hitsu as well.
IMO this fight would be a Shikai-vs-Bankai, Soi Fon would ironically have a greater chance using a Shikai than her Bankai in this case.
Yeah, it's a damn good thing her Shikai is so broken, given her bankai is pretty much completely nonviable save in select circumstances.
I mostly saw the whole rocket flying as slow motion, I really doubt that it takes ages to reach.
But yeh, there is no reason for her to use bankai since she will simply lose time and disadvange herself in this fight.