And perhaps the Mizukage had a tramatic experience and she hates men, or maybe Zabuza was her ex-boyfriend, who knows. Not enough about her has been revealed yet to pass judgement.
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But about using the racial slur thing, I read an article by a black female author about how she used to love the work of Stephen King until she came across and instance where he unnecessarily used a racial slur in his writing and that turned her off to him completely. It's all about context.
If what he said in his recent interview is true, and he referred to Sakura in a disrespectful way and then went on to say that he wrote her that way because to him that's how real girls act, what does that say about his opinion of women?
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About the racial slur maybe the lady over-analysed everything, maybe your over-analysing this. This is a very controversial statement because we are analysing the content and not the man himself.
Well assuming your talking about women like your age, lets use Kurenai as an example. She wasn't the strongest but she acted very mature. She is going to have a baby so the level of maturity and responsibility she has is high I believe.
It's frustrating. Compare the females in Naruto to the females in a show like Avatar that has great female characters. How many of those girls are clearly meant to be "sexy" or are shown to be inherently weaker than men? Perhaps it is a cultural difference, but I can't even think of an American kid show were the girls are portrayed as negatively as they are in Naruto.
And sorry, everyone, as it seems I am arguing by myself here it's going to take a long time for me to reply to everything.
At first glance, what is the common conception of someone like Sakura (the main female character) that is being portrayed in the story in general? And every female for that matter? What do the majority think of them just based off what they've seen? And what interest do they take from them? How do men see the females vs. how women see them.
For the majority of females there is not a lot of interest because they are almost all irrelevant.
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Probably not a lot, which I'm guessing is why we don't see a whole lot of them. Another reason why I'm guessing we don't see a lot of them is because Kishi sucks at developing them, knows he sucks at developing them, so he avoids them like the plague.Quote:
Well, I can't speak for others, but I like most of them.Quote:
A lot of male characters are irrelevant too. The story right now is focused on Sasuke, Madara, and only tangentially on Naruto (the main character) with a lot of kishi's side characters left in the dust. He says he's gonna develop Sakura into an actual heroine so we'll have to wait for that. I do wish he'd develop more of his side characters but i get the feeling he just wants to finish Naruto already and doesn't want to stretch into anything that's not of primary importance to the story.Quote:
As you've noticed, females are the minority in reading manga, thus authors (whether pressured by publishers or not) target the male audience to increase sales as well as sustain them over time. Plainly put, this means creating "girls with big tits".
Is this the same as sexism? No. Is how Kishimoto employs it sexist? Maybe. But as others have pointed out there are well defined female characters who you like but have "large tits". So as opposed to seeing there character traits it seems it is you that is focusing on their chest. Obviously they were drawn like that with male anatomy in mind, but Kishi could have made them into useless eye candy, but he made a compromise instead.
Also, you seem to be overlooking the many MANY examples of Kishi's apparent, erm, love, of the male body. How many shots do we see of the male characters with their shirts off? Hell Sai is wearing a midriff bearing shirt to constantly show his tummy. The yao overtones are there, look at Deidara's hand tongues. If you don't think those are sexual then I dont know.
Also, the first kiss in the entire story was between two boys. Not to mention the main "bond" between Naruto ans Sasuke is arguablt not platonic.
If that doesn't show sex appeal to women or the gay audience, then you're right Kishi is sexist. I, however, would like to believe he is something far worse: a sell out to his publishers.
Consider this, for every woman you believe to be useless, there have been 5-10 men that are just as wasted.
Shikamaru? Well, he isn't really the stereotypical lazy guy anymore is he? He was allowed to grow past that. Yeah, he complains and lays around probably, but we don't see him that way anymore, and even a smart lazy guy could beat a strong girl in a fight.
And about Mizukage, I don't really care about her problems with men, my problem is why did they have to even make it that way in the first place. I didn't enjoy that kind of comic relief. Couldn't they have introduced her in a serious and respectable way? Why does exploiting her insecurity have to be the way were introduced to her?
i dont think he is sexist. Sure a lot of women he drew are very attractive but do readers want to see butt ugly women and men in the manga (unless he/she is a joke char)? Also we have seen many capable woman in all positions in Narutoverse - Tsunade as hokage, the old lady in leaf seems to be an elder/advisor role to perhaps the ruler or leaf nation. We see Anko in anbu and very capable herself. We see Mizukage as a high level position and wouldve finished sasuke off if it werent for interruption.
Side, note, where's my people who voted "yes"? Where's your replies? I guess I really am all alone in this, and there's nothing wrong with the females of Naruto.
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