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I wouldn't say so. The majority of female characters in Naruto don't stand out because of their looks unlike in other mangas. Alot of the female characters don't have huge boobs or anything like that and for a kunoichi, it seems like it'd be a hindrance, so it makes sense that kishi doesn't do this. Aside from the kunoichi from the lightening village, they're aren't too many others with huge boobs. It's no where near as bad as bleach...not that I'm complaining. I kinda like big boobs...lol
There's one female ANBU that we know so far - I forgot her name, but she was in Part I after Hayate (?) was killed by Baku (?). It was during Sandaime Hokage's funeral?
Using ANBU as a reason to show Kishi is sexist doesn't work because we don't know the identity of most ANBU. Hell, we only know Itachi and Kakashi because they were former ANBU; and Yamato was assigned to Naruto's team, so he can't stay mysterious or keep his mask on.
At least Kishi's trying to make women look strong or better. Konan was probably the only person to ever damage Tobi to an extent and make him resort to Izanagi. Kushina was able to manhandle boys when she was a child, and she had the balls to argue with one of the greatest genius of his generation. Mei and Tsunade are the kage of their villages, and Tsunade is the main reason why the village hasn't suffered a devastating loss against Pain. Even Hiruzen wasn't able to prevent deaths of many top shinobi.
I still think the problem is that the manga switched to focusing on Naruto and Sasuke. Back in Part I, females were actually shown in a better light when Kishi was focusing on other characters, not just Naruto or Team 7. We saw Sakura grow and mature as the chuunin exam went on, we saw Anko be BDSM and willing to die to get rid of her master, we even saw Kurenai... be hot? Temari was pretty badass and smart, as well. Tenten had badass weapons. Even in early Part II, we saw Sakura change into a better shinobi.
As Part II went on though, Naruto was given more focus and other characters slowly took the backseat. You had few epic moments like Shikamaru beating Hidan or Hinata defending Naruto. Sakura regressed into early Part I, for the most part, at least during Pain Invasion just to show Naruto's power (the confidence she had in Naruto, etc, and I don't mean Naruto's combat power). Though, Sakura did have a good moment in finding out about the Zetsu and owning him.
Although Kishi may admittedly suck at making women look just as good, he has been giving too much focus on Naruto and Sasuke, in my opinion, that not just females, but most side characters haven't looked good. Kakashi being the main example.
Dragging this from the depths of this forum. Now that everything has come to a close...
Having seen the conclusion of the manga and its handling of female characters and the treatment of women in the databook, I'm forced to respond with a final answer of YES.
I would say no, or at least not necessarily. You think of it with occidental point of view but don't forget that he is Japanese and so have a Japanese societal and Japanese cultural point of view: what you think as sexism is merely a values dissonance.
For us, occidentals, it's common to see women work even after marriage and childbirth, housewifes have become some rare things and mainly in wealthy family. In Japan, if unmarried women work, married ones rarely do it except if they have uphold positions and, in that case, rarely have children.
I see two reasons at least for that:
For those to reason, businessmen and businesswomen have a nearly inexistent family life, rarely see their children and partners (at least wake up) and, if you are not wealthiest to engage a governess, you need someone to take care of the children and the house in Japanese society it's generaly women who do it.
- if in occident, commuting time are commonly less than half an hour and rarely more than an hour, in Japan it take hourS ;
- while in occident we take pride and uphold spare-time and individuals well being, in Japan they uphold work and groups.
So don't see sexism where there is only creator provincialism: Kishimoto sticks to the culture he knows about.
Very simple answer: Who are the greatest shinobi of all time?
1 - Hagoromo
2 - Hamura
3 - Indra
4 - Ashura
5 - Naruto
6 - Sasuke
7 - Hashirama
8 - Madara
9 - Obito
10 - Some man, probably Tobirama or Black Zetsu
Supposedly Kaguya would be the strongest of all but she was defeat TWICE by two men, in the second time there was a supporting woman among FOUR man (Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi and Obito)
Females are usually support or medic, even the strong Tsunade is but a cry baby for Dan and needed Naruto to overcome her blood trauma. Seriously?
Kishimoto females are PATHETHIC! I could enjoy female characters in some scenes but it doesn't even compare to the males. Seriously, who are Hinata and Sakura? The ones in love, waiting for the prince charming. The other girls, I mean, the girls that are not hidden behind a man doesn't even exist! Ino and Ten Ten were completely underdeveloped! Even Tsunade the Hokage was put aside, the best she could achieve was "your regeneration is almost as goood as Hashirama's". Mei was totally overshadowed even by Udon. Samui = Sexualized. Chiyo = Dead. Temari = Couldn't scratch Raikage that had weakness against her element. Seriously I can't even organize my thoughts on this matter but yeah Kishimoto is VERY sexist, it is always the men saving the day.
Of seven Hokages, 6 man, 1 woman.
BTW Of these seven how would you rank Tsunade? I doubt someone would put her in the top three and I highly doubt most people would even consider she not being the weakest of the seven if not for Katsuyu. I guess 90% of the readers thinks she is a total loser for being half senju, half uzumaki and not being able to do any of these bloodlines stuff like sealing, wood release, huge chakra capacity and others.
HELL MAN is so much sexism I can't think about it without raging...
Last edited by raoniluna; November 10, 2014 at 02:23 PM.
about kaguya, i'm one of those who think she is the strongest character in Naruto. so what if she was beaten twice ? one time she was fighting against both her sons who are STRONG but not as strong as her and all they could achieve was sending her away... the other time she fought 5 people ( counting obito ) and still she kicked their asses and if it weren't for some techniques they didn't even originally own they would be dead, and they were only able to do what her sons did
EDIT : unless, you have a problem with her being beaten by " men " no matter who they are or how many are there in which case i have nothing to say
Last edited by meeedoooz; November 10, 2014 at 03:03 PM.
i'm not saying in any way women in OP aren't developed. they are just as useless and as defenseless and so dependent on men like most shounen manga to the point that each one had to have an entire "rescue arc" i guess this is a common thing in that industry
Having read Naruto week in and week out for the last 10 years, i can say that Kishimoto's female characters are woefully underdevloped, and under utilised, but i cant honestly say i ever got the impression that he wsa being sexist. After all naruto is a shounen, and the demographic is largley young men, and there are certain tropes that go with the territory that may have been suggested to him by his editor as known quantaties for whatever reason. i think that trying to draw conclusions about the man through only his writing is inappropriate.
This is precisely why I got so mad at Kishi, he had thousando of opportunities to show readers that in ninja world women could and should be strong but instead he went all "mr. Traditions" and have shown us that Kaguya-Eve, the only strong woman is EVIL and that all good woman are submissive and need a man, seriously, my only hope was Tsunade but she lived and was saved by men all the time, even against Madara, COME ON, it was her spotlight (a poor one but...) and then "oh I'm gonna die unless my ghost prince charming saves me!"... trid to kill myself (mentally)
please note that i don't think kishi is a sexist for reasons i and xallisto mentioned, but i've come to understand the counter argument more since i first started reading this thread
You claim Kishimoto is sexist, but you refuse to look at all of the positive his females characters have accomplished and instead focus on the negative to support your idea that Kishimoto is indeed a sexist. Nevermind that a story by an actual sexist would include females characters the way they are portrayed in Naruto. Also, most of the main females are teenagers, who actual do experience things like ridiculous boy-crushes.
Quite frankly, Tsunade is one of the physically strongest ninja in the series, but even she has psychological and emotional problems, much like so many of the males in the series. I specifically recall Naruto hyperventilaing over Sasuke, which really isn't much less "pathetic" than having a fear of blood (which, btw, she had for a good reason if I recall correctly.)
For example, this. Let's just forget that Chiyo was a boss-ass puppeteer even in her old age. The fact that she had to die means Kishimoto hates women and seeing women succeed.Quote:
This doesn't even make any sense. Two characters that probably never interacted or were in even the same panel together. Wat.Quote:
True, her appearance is pretty attractive, but this point really only makes sense if every one of Kishimoto's females were like that.Quote:
Again, true. She couldn't beat the man that was said to be physically unbeatable who could only actually be beaten, literally, by his own self.Quote:
This proves Kishimoto is a rampant sexist.
Again, reducing Tsunade and her character to just "HOW STRONG IS SHE GUYS?!?"Quote:
Nevermind that she's done incredible things and overcome several obstacles.
Kishimoto is only a sexist because you want him to be.
U have to try to keep on mind there is a massive difference in cultures between Japan and western cultures, u cant allow yourself to judge cultures based on your own culture. Gender inequality is a big problem in Japan, according to Japan Times there are still many things that happen in japan that would make us westerners scream sexism, but is considered normal in japan. Sadly u have to accept that this is also reflected in japanese literature like manga.
Thruthfully, i have seen many many many anime/manga where by 4/5 busty attractive women throw themselfs at some pathetic joke of a male main protaganist for reasons that u might aswell pluck out of a hat. There are shows out there that are blatantly sexist, sorry but i dont look at Naruto and see sexism what i see is a culture thats used to and very comfortable with the notion that all women need to be married by 30, need to stay at home, not work and raise children.
It is sad but it is what it is.
Quite frankly, I take little issue with the males dominating the power rankings. It's a shonen. That's mostly an expectation of the genre as a result of reader demographics. I think some of the issues with characters when it comes to power rankings are mostly general writing challenges. My real issue is with the actual development of the female characters. Kunoichi were regularly defined by their male peers. Their motivations were embarrassingly male-driven. And the majority of female characters were reduced to fangirls regardless of their talent, intelligence, or ability.