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Thread: Characters of Claymore Project

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    Re: Characters of Claymore Project

    I suspect Uma of greater things in the future. Everyone in the manga may be underestimating her and Tabitha. The fact that both are not taken seriously due to their low Yoki may be a good sign. Just like Clare at the beginning of the series.

    Regardless of what the Data Books and reader polls say (and I'm not saying that either is wrong), I personally find it hard to put artificial limits on the warriors in my mind. I wish them to be free to develop and not fit any preconception of what they can and can't do. I wish to be surprised, saddened, delighted and elated by what the warriors do in the future. As Irene said, I expect nothing.

    So how will Uma and Tab develop in the future? What will they do? Well, I hope it's unpredictable. So I won't try to predict anything definite here!
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    Re: Characters of Claymore Project

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    CLARE the Impulsive and Stubborn One seeking Vengence


    in ch 100 pages 23-25, Clare herself tells us that, that just wasn't the case, all she truly cares about is revenge. Clare just wanted to see Raki to say goodbye to him. Oh, Clare cares about Raki, Deneve, Helen, and the others, but she doesn't really-care about them (if that makes any sense), as the ONLY thing she truly-really cares about is revenge on Priscilla.

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    P.S.

    at some point, I'll put together and complete my Clare analysis. (I got some bit and pieces of it, but I need to put it together and need to complete it too)

    but here's what I've got so far:

    Spoiler: Clare Notes 1 show


    Spoiler: Clare Notes 2, and a small bit of stuff about Teresa too show


    Spoiler: Clare Notes 3 show


    Spoiler: Clare Notes 4 - Clare's "losses and sufferings" show

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    Re: Characters of Claymore Project

    To regard any one statement by Clare, such as her only reason to exist is to kill Priscilla, as being true for all times and places, might limit our understanding of not only Clare, but of life in general.

    Without getting into multi-personalities, we are still many people. A single personality will have many emotions, thoughts and feelings, ever changing.

    As others have controversially speculated, if Clare did kill Priscilla, it may only bring partial closure, at best. Or even create more problems for Clare. Though we think otherwise at the time, many of our own “failures” prove necessary for true growth.

    Though there were those of us were annoyed by Lucky's efforts to save Priscilla in the anime, we tend to forget that Lucky was also trying save Clare from going over to the “darkside.”

    When Clare made her statement to Deneuve and Helen (Scene 100), Clare was indeed at a low moment in her life. After many years of effort, she “failed” to even begin any credible attack against Priscilla. I put quotes around “failed” because there may good reasons, beyond Clare's understanding at that moment why she “failed.”

    And this is just one moment in her life. Think of her other moments. The first time her eyes met Teresa's in Theo village. Or when she laughed in the inn over Teresa's fears that the villagers would chase them away after the boy's rescue. Or when in agony she held Elena as she slept in a training school cell. Or the very moment she decided to save her enemy during that final exam, instead of abandoning her.

    Each of these is another facet of Clare, each with their own “only reason to exist.” And each equally valid. May we see Clare have many “only reason to exist” moments!
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    Re: Characters of Claymore Project

    I'm not saying that revenge is the only thing she desires and hatred the only thing she feels, but I am arguing that it is that which defines her, her main or strongest or deepest or at her roots, it's who she is and what her actions are towards.

    Of course, anyone's free to provide their own assessment of Clare as well

    This is just my own assessment, and I feel it's very well supported, but it's certainly not the only assessment of Clare, as she is quite complicated, and multi-charactered/personalified (making up a word here, lol)

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    Spoiler: off-topic show

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    Re: Characters of Claymore Project

    Much literature and film is one-dimensional. And most people on this planet, at least on an emotional level, want revenge. From fairy tales to the "Death Wish" film series, "revenge" is often where it's at, commercially and psychologically.

    My sampling various manga and anime series reflected this eternal desire for retribution. Of course much great art has sprung from the quest for the Grail (of revenge).

    The downside could be monotony. One Shakespearean scholar, the US novelist Louis Auchincloss wrote a book titled "Motiveless Malignity," about stereotypical characterizations in Shakespeare's plays.

    Despite being written during the Renaissance, the plays still reflected the Medieval theory of "Humours," which a fictional character would possess a "single TRUE characteristic" as Hege put it. But the beautiful language does disguise the shallowness of characterization.

    Yagi, to my inexpert estimation, does better (in terms of character growth).

    From birth to death, people change. They learn to love, to hate, to fear, to trust. They gain knowledge, some true, some false. But they change. Whether that involves "single TRUE characteristics," "FAKE or HOLLOW characteristics, "multiple TRUE characteristics," it doesn't matter. It's all about growth.

    Even Helen changed more than Hamlet!

    Yes, Clare is "about" revenge. And even if we were to ignore her every other characteristic, that revenge keeps changing its shape, size, force and direction.

    Regarding those "squeamish about revenge," my experience is they wouldn't read Claymore in the first place. They're into the New Age, self-improvement or religious fiction genres (though most I've read don't even reach the commonsensical level of Helen's "It's perfectly natural to always want to stay alive. We're only human, after all!").

    The late Susan Sontag wrote a book titled "Against Interpretation," in which she warned how readers' experiences were being warped by schools and literary critics putting out their views on how everything should be read.

    I'm glad this forum exists so we can all put forth our views, but in the end, like Yagi, we'll have to trust all the readers and ourselves to make up one's own mind on what Claymore means. And there is no "wrong" interpretation.

    And sometimes, as Sontag said, we just have to let "it speak for itself."

    All of the above is speculation only!
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    Re: Claymore 119 Disc/120 Pred Thread

    If you want cheap PS4 games, contact me.
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