The only thing I haven't liked about Part II were:
1 - Naruto/Sakura being so ehh with the whole Sasuke situation. the guy flat out shows you how he isn't what he was and yet there is still this whole one sided view about Sasuke.
2 - Too much Sasuke. I was alright with it when he was fighting Itachi and Madara had him in that cave (after the fight), but after that, its just felt like a spam-r-us on Sasuke and his super add-ons.
3 - No Naruto development during the timeskip. Really, it sucked. Sasuke becomes near godlike during the timeskip yet Naruto only becomes a little better. Which goes back to point #2, in which no only was there this huge difference in timeskip power up, but then it goes on to show Sasuke master things in seconds.
4 - Naruto learning things too quickly. Sorry, its like it was decided that Naruto needed something and they gave some 10 chapters inbetween for him to master soem uber attack, which for Sasuke, it was tons of fights and what-not.
Still like the story but Part 1 owned. It had such great character development. From beginning to end.
Part 2's story development has been a drag. No development during the 2 1/2 years. Naruto/Sakura whiny. Naruto into a love-fest. Sasuke just hate and not listen to reason, which was shown to be his strength in part 1.
Just two things...but it turns out to be pretty big
Ok, just read the whole thread.
Ok, it seems a lot of people also mentioned some of the things I said.
Just the whole "chase after Sasuke" plot really sucked, especially when Sasuke kept doing things which weren't the smartest decision. So, dumb decisions and Naruto/Sakura sitll after his arse just doesn't feel right...and all this since the beginning of part 2.
And to add insult to injury, then they made Naruto a full blown wuss. Its about love. That is all he said. No realistic answers. I know Kishi was building up the answer to this last Sasuke encounter/the final sasuke encounter, but man, that is the whole of Part 2.
That is what I didn't like of Part 2.
And I don't feel it is "darker". I wish it was darker. This whole danzo situation could have made the manga much darker, but look what happened in less than 1 arc. This isn't darker, this is more of a less comical, more spamming of attacks, and less character progression. that doesn't mean darker.
Last edited by jimm120; May 04, 2010 at 10:24 PM.
I started with part II, than after the rescue Gaara arc, I read part I before continuing.
I must say I like part I better. Part II isn't that bad, but Naruto is way too much obsessed with Sasuke, it kills the story a bit for me. Than Kishi went into the whole Uchiha this Uchiha that, and copy-paste the night of the massacre over and over again. That only made part II even worse. But now, when Naruto is back to his old self (more or less), I'm starting to enjoy this manga again.
I guess when we see the parts as a whole, when part II is wrapped up and finished, both parts will be on the same scale of quality.
however, I found it interesting to see people have orgasms over Bee training Naruto. although I specifically stated that it is just an excuse to take Naruto out of the war and focus, people couldn't stop dreaming about this. nonetheless, I'm going to laugh so hard the day when Sasuke enters the war and demonstrates his power, fights the Edo Tensei Akatsuki members and reaps their souls out, and kills Kabuto. I'm going to laugh after seeing everyone die from shock at pure action Sasuke displays, while Naruto trains with Killerbee and writes a few rap songs.
Kishi might show us one more fight that will involve Sasuke, just to show what EMS can do, before his showdown with Naruto. There isn't any other reason than that for Sasuke to fight. Sasuke's story was told (very detailed too), I think Kishi is done with him. I really do hope so at least, otherwise I will really start doubting about who Kishi sees as the main character of this manga. So far Kishi is delivering, I hope he continues with that.
Last edited by soulbane_zp; May 06, 2010 at 04:09 PM.
nonetheless, the Uchiha thing isn't new, it's always been there. even in the revered Zabuza arc which everybody seems to like, the main fight between Kakashi and Zabuza involved the Sharingan and with each new fight, more abilities were introduced. Sasuke awoke his Sharingan at that time against Haku. interestingly enough, Sasuke was the reason why Naruto snapped, introducing the Kyuubi. there are two major powers in the story, the only things that matter, Kyuubi and Sharingan and it's been like this since Part I. the only problem is that now Kishimoto has been writing sloppy, doing things without purpose. what was the point of Sasuke vs. Killerbee? couldn't Sasuke have done all the power awakenings with his fight against the Kages? was the fight simply to introduce a "perfect jinchuuriki" and couldn't Kishimoto have done that against Kisame (before the clone switch)? there are a ton of other problems, some going way back to the beginning. the Sand arc was pointless when you look at it from the perspective of Naruto, what did he accomplish, what new power did he demonstrate? he didn't even fight the main bad guy (Sasori) and waisted time in a pointless chase with Deidara. not to mention that the arc was so damn boring and then comes the Retrieve Sasuke arc. exactly what was the purpose of that arc? Kishimoto made a lousy effort to introduce emotion into Sai, which Sasuke was successfully able to do in a second through the Sharingan, lol. what has changed about Sai, he could feel emotion? what is his purpose, other than being a boring zombie in Team 7? the problem isn't the Uchiha, ironically that is the life support of the manga, the only thing that it is generating interest, suspense, and is driving the plot. nonetheless, I find the recent chapter an improvement and I am even willing to wait ten chapters for Naruto to defeat Yami Naruto (who kind of sucks).
Last edited by kisame123; May 06, 2010 at 08:43 PM.
Actually, Madara has said that Sasuke needs to recover from whatever the process of attaining EMS entails. So he's out of the war for the immediate future also.
I bet he and Naruto will join the fighting at roughly the same time. Maybe Sasuke a little earlier, so that Naruto can have a Big Damn Heroes moment.
the recent chaps should only be boring if one is interested in nothing but fights.....naruto chaps recently has been awesome when it comes to character development. B's development as well as kabuto,kisame and madara are all being very interesting in recent times aside from naruto's development.
And I wouldn't be so sure about Kabuto and Sasuke either. Kabuto has a long history with Naruto, and I wouldn't be surprised if Kishi made Kabuto vs Naruto the last battle in this manga.
Last edited by soulbane_zp; May 07, 2010 at 05:09 AM.
The best selling arc for Part II is Pain arc, not the Uchiha's brothers, if I'm not mistaken, and I'm pretty sure I'm not. And I care about the Rookies, Sai and that pathetic village of Konoha, so it's not nobody. Everybody doesn't share your opinion on things, and it seems to me that you are far more obsessed with Sasuke than I am with Naruto. For me the character of Sasuke is boring and linear, but I certainly don't hate him.
As for Kabuto I said my opinion on that. He wants to fight Naruto too, and Kabuto has history with Naruto and he is the only character that turned more bad from his interaction with Naruto. Also Kabuto is in the story for a long time now, Kishi can easily make him the final villain. I see you don't like Naruto much, well that's too bad, I have nothing more to say on that matter. I'm pretty sure that Naruto can handle Kabuto, and I see how you made your own fanfiction of Sasuke's awesomeness and Kabuto's facesmashing along with the zombies and I don't know what not , and you are saying others are obsessing over a character (lol).
I actually don't divide Naruto into parts or anything when read it, it's great as a whole.
But if I have to chose then that would be the part when team7 still had Sasuke and went on missions; the chuunin exam counted too. It was funny back there and all the characters were small, pure and cute, still their fights were interesting enough.
After that the story focuses on the Uchiha clan's tragedy which made me try to drop this manga several times --> MI, yeh I know . Not that I hate the Uchiha-focus things or Sasuke, I am a Sasuke fan (wow many ppl gonna dislike me at this point ) so I really looking forward to any of his fights. It's bcs I'm Sas fan that I hate these recent parts: He has changed too much, so Oro-like (gross, don't like this man >.<) and heartless, dark, kinda insane now. I miss the old Sasuke in chap 27, 36 too... where is he, Kishi? How could u do smt like that? T-T...
.. Sr, lets cont with the topic..
About the recent arcs, they sure are much more enjoyable with all the huge scale battles and flashy techniques but somehow it just feels more out of commercial, meet-deadlined reason and less passionate reason to me.
--> No offend to Kishi, I like his work after all, just my feeling.
To many ppl think that Kishi was into the Uchiha clan too much, I think it's a little hasty to conclude bcs part II hasn't end yet and the main part is still on its way \O/ can't wait!!
He just want to turn Sasuke evil asap >> he did it now so I bet that from now on the story will focus on Naruto again.
Manga often stresses on smt tragedy rather than non-tragedy so maybe we weren't spammed by Minato and Senju means there's just nothing bad happen to them. Also the hero always shows up in the last minus is what Naruto kept saying in the first arc so Kishi must wanna tell Minato story in the last minus, don't u think?
Last edited by fullmoon; May 29, 2010 at 06:20 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost