Sorry for the kind-of-controversial thread title.
I am by no means making a thread where you should say why hetero- or homosexuality are superior.
So, after seriously being in the spotlight since -99 when he smashed the charts with "Livin' Da Vida Loca" (or -98 with the official song for the Football WC in France - The Cup Of Life or as it's called in Spanish La copa de la vida) the Puertorican pop-star Ricky Martin has announced that he is, and has "always been", homosexual.
The question is, why, after all these years has he waited until now to announce it. Ricky himself claims that it's because his closest friends have told him that "Everything you've built will collapse, the world is not ready for the truth, your reality, your true nature:"
But apparently, these years of being silent has made him even stronger, so he has now, after hinting about it in his memoir which he started to write -09, officially announced himself gay.
What I want to discuss here isn't necessarily about Ricky, but about how society looks at homosexuals contra heterosexuals.Originally Posted by Discussion material
Note that homosexuality is just for this example, it can be replaced with any other minor sexualities, such as trans, queer, asex and bi.
Keep the discussion clean please.
Last edited by blai; October 17, 2010 at 08:25 AM.
Hollywood, least how it seems, doesn't look down on someone for being gay. It seems to embrace people being individuals and doesn't judge people as much (except of course appearances i.e. beautiful, not beautiful). Entertainment has always been more accepting of different lifestyles and different types of people.
Politics and average society, on the other hand, is normally not so kind (at least in the U.S.). People scream and picket like crazy whenever someone gay is elected to any position of power (mayor, governor, senator), much like they did when black people first began getting elected. And people get even worse when it comes to a religious leader being gay.
Average, non-famous people, who come out as gay don't normally receive the large backlash against them, but its easy to tell what people think about them. I see people giving gay people where I live dirty looks or talking about them behind their backs. Granted most would never say anything to them which is better than screaming "fag" at them I guess. But if I can notice it, I'm the people its being said about can as well.
As far as why its not socially acceptable in the majorities eyes, it does have something to do with religious beliefs in a way. People are raised from birth to believe that God doesn't like it when people are gay and that its very bad. But long-held religious beliefs have always held back change so this is nothing new. Probably the biggest reason, even bigger than religion, is just that, by definition, its not "normal". For a species to reproduce, there has to be mostly hetero-members. Anything not "normal" always has a hard time becoming "normal" because people are so resistant to change.
Though the world is becoming a much more accepting place. Even where I live being gay is not consider strange by most of the younger generation, and it seems to be a pattern all around the world. In about 50 years, nothing will be thought of when someone says they are gay, and when that feeling of uneasiness some people get when they are around someone gay is gone, the world will be a better place for it.
Personally I do agree with his friends, who were saying the world's not ready yet to accept homosexuality as normal. of course, there were some other gay artists before him like Georage Micheal, Freddie Mercury and co, but still.
I absolutely do not give a damn about what the one or the other is doing in his bedroom, but I believe the most people will change their minds about the person after finding out he or she is gay. It still is a taboo subject in our society at this point. Even though there were some major changes in the last few decades in the western, there has to pass some more time so that one can say it's completely accepted.
There are some big differences from nation to nation though. For example in Russia the people are still like 'eeek' when it comes to that. It may be ok in the TV and the media, because of some gays in public (basically hairdressers, makeup artists, designers), but having a homosexual person in the surrounding... hm, the person might haven been this or that before the outing, but afterwards he's just being titled as fag... compeletly reduced to his sexuality. Which's very sad in my opinion, but the people do need a hell lot more of time to open their minds.
Germany again is that far to say, ok, not a the end of the world (actually), but the person's sexuality is ever-present though. Not sure if you already know, but since '09 the Germany has got a gay state secretary, liberal party leader Guido Westerwelle. So yeah, gay people can be quite successful over here, even in the politics.
Last edited by Evil3ye; March 31, 2010 at 02:27 PM.
Thats what Hollywood wants you to believe. Quite the contrary, though the facade they present is quite convincing.
If you read the thread then you'd know that this isn't about Ricky Martin. He was just an example.
Everyone could pretty much tell he was gay, common not rocket science.
Hollywood only has a handful, if that, of films that really press the issues of sexuality. Brokeback Mountain is probably one of the few works that really delve into the general condition of these people. In general, most media that brings up homosexuality either waters it down enough to be mainstream, or is generally a bit more abstract and classified as art-house. For American viewers, you occasionally run into series such as Will and Grace and a handful of others that present homosexuality, but it either shows it in a glamorous way or shows that there's really no problem with it, thereby ignoring the reality of the situation.
It's sort of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation though. If you show the actual condition and problems of homosexuals in society, the series/movie will probably either become more controversial than it would want to be and/or not popular with mainstream culture. One that ignores the problems and shows the world being perfectly fine presents an ideal world and might alter people's preconceptions of such through showing them as tame or normal rather than menacing, but leaves the general populace ignorant of the reality of the situation.
A friend of mine outed himself just yesterday. Did not see it coming to be honest. I asked him to go out clubbing with me, and he said he's already going out with some others to a club. And so I suggested to meet in there then and then he told me it's a gay party tonight in there. I was wondering why he was going to a gay party, and then well... he told me.
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This, pretty much, to a T. I remember last year for American Idol, there was a big controversy surrounding Adam Lambert, while he didn't publicly come out yet, and his homosexual past. Manly claim that because he was gay, he didn't win, because the people voting wouldn't want someone gay as their American Idol. I really believe that, because society isn't ready for such "an important position" (it really isn't...which is the sad part) to be filled by a homosexual man. It really is a big step for someone in the entertainment business to come out, because the entertainment business is run by the average person. It's really sad that some people are basically forced to hide who they truly are because they're afraid that they won't be accepted well in society.Originally Posted by Drmke
I don't like rezzing threads, but I just felt like I had to post here, plus this subforum is kinda slowish.
Society today is much more accepting of homosexuality, yes, but that again depends on what part of the world you're typing from. America and most of eastern Europe seem a lot less comfortable with members of LGBT being in positions of power.
Also, while I think that all kinds of sexualities are finding support world wide now a days, they are finding ample opposition as well.
As opposed to say 15 years back, when there was no intense Internet coverage and different sexualities didn't really make such a significant impact when it came to promoting awareness and fighting for their rights, today it would seem that LGBT is meeting more resistance. Not only in vocality department, but also in numbers. It seems like this fight for rights and attempts of officially integrating LGBT members into higher up positions has sort of spread the word, but not only to those that would support their cause, but also to those who were neutral prior to finding about their struggle.
So while I would say that there is definitely progress with acceptance and affirmation, I would also have to say that there is an increase in opposition and problems caused by that struggle. Though it would be obvious that such a harsh division between those for and against and thining out the numbers of neutral people is needed in order to settle this once and for all.
(lol ricky is gay!? I never saw that coming haha, I only found this out after reading the OP)
I always assumed the dude was gay, I was surprised he even felt the need to announce it. I was even more surprised at the reaction most people seemed to have, they seemed honestly surprised.
Announcing that you are gay is the new it these days. I have nothing against gays but there lifestyle have negative consequences towards the proliferation of mankind. Let not play around with facts, from the very beginning to the very end, planet Earth was and would always be a Heterosexual World, and regardless of same sex rights and privileges, the vast majority of heterosexuals would never ever accept homosexuality.