They're high-tier. Don't mess with them or you'll be sorry.
They're mid-tier. They're outstanding but so are every other captain.
They're low-tier. New generation surpasses the old.
thats a good speech there but whos to say shunsui or ukitake couldnt do that? im sure they could both stop ichigos bankai with just a finger. and even when he did all that the hogyoku was inside of him, he just kept it hidden then said suprise this why nothin is affecting me duh. you forget those captains u just mentioned are shit, they couldnt even beat tousen when he had his mask on... but how did his vice captain manage to beat him when he was ressureccion just in shikai? the reiatsu of those captains arent on par with ichigos... so of course aizen spanked them. sure he cut down hitsugaya and shunsui soi fon and whoever else was in his way but he DID have the orb attached to his persona when this allhappened... correct? so just because you think it didnt have any effect doesnt mean it didnt... in fact it did. isshin isnt MORE powerful than any other shinigami under yama... maybe on par with shunsui and ukitake but given that aizen was overwhelmed from takin that hit from yamas kido blast and isshin not being under the influence of KS he obviously would have the upper hand. So lets put shunsui in isshins position, would it not be the same outcome? of course it would... KS is complete hynosis u can see and be whatever it wants.. so of course its gonna make everyone who has already fought weaker... shunsui just got a few huge blows from the #1 espada so hes not up to par with anyone near aizen but if he were to go at him one on one i think hed stand a chance
Also Aizen reached the limit of his shinigami abilities. Hougyoku is a power that guides. It's not capable of doing things for people that, they themselves aren't capable of. The only way the Hougyoku could increase Aizen's power is by increasing his limits. The only known ways to do that is to destroy the barrier between a shinigami and a hollow and reconstructing his soul (like what the Hougyoku's is doing right now). The Hougyoku just started turning Aizen into the ultimate being so he couldn't of had a power increase before than.
I think that Shinsui and Ukitake are one of the top Captains of the G13. Yama stated complemented them. There is no hard evidence stating which Captains is the strongest except Yama, who is the leader of the G13.
Just a side note about Shinigami fights:
Aizen statement about Shinigami fights.
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For example: Komamura is captain-class. Isshin is captain-class. Aizen could cut down 4 Komamuras, he can't even handle one Isshin. Maybe Kubo should introduce another phrase to indicate shinigami strength..
Aizen outclasses Shunsui in every aspect we've seen so far: power, reiatsu, speed and Kido usage, so there is no way in hell that Shunsui (no shikai) could beat Aizen (no shikai)
Saying that Aizen outclasses shunsui in every aspect is grasping at straws. I am not saying that shunsui can beat Aizen if he was not under teh illusions, but i am saying that there is quite a chance. We can't really compare shunsui fairly b/c he was never able to give a full fight against aizen b/c everything was an illusion.
How can you say aizen is better than shunsui at this and that when it comes to KS, nothing is what it seems.
Aizen is strong no doubt. But so are the senior captains. But aizen has the advantage b/c they are already under his spell. Even then, he needed an opening to take shunsui down.
Shunsui and uki are not overrated whatsoever. The manga has shown that they are worthy of the statements yama has made for them
Grasping at straws??if he was as strong as Aizen with all those captains they would have won in 3 seconds...but indeed he didn't make a difference!!!
Speed:he never touched him...and even Stark is faster then him.
Power:He was momentarily koed by a cero and had
He needed an opening??lol Who's the idiot that tried to save Hitsugaya knowing that he would get pwned??It's his fault for not keeping his cool.....this is war as someone said,even Soifon said that u have to atack your enemy from behind even i u see ur comrade fall....come on!!!!
And well,let's explain the concept above the rest with a simple example:
_If the average I.Q. of the population is 100,having an I.Q. of 120 is BEING a cut above the others,and u will always be because it's not like your I.Q. will fall.
_At the same time,there still can others with an I.Q. of 130,140,150,160 that still won't deny the fact that having 120 is being a cut above the rest.
And seriously,do u think that Aizen,Old Yama,Isshin,Urahara,Gin and Yoruichi would look at WW and get impaled without even acknowledging it???
Ukitake is by far the most overrated character!!!!!!!!
Shunsui is strong,a cut above the average captain,but he is not a genius or a monster or a god like fighter.Damn,he was a captain for how many years???more then 200 hundred at least,right???Hitsugaya will take around 100 year to reach and surpass his power......do u see the difference??and well,this won't change the fact that Shunsui would still remain a cut above the others.....
the kido aizen did to koma was strong but look a few panels koma got up and refused treatment and was wounded but it didnt put him out of commision...and koma also fought aizen in FKT with a huge hole in his stomach so give koma some slack...he is the saying 'cant keep a good dog down' :P.
shunsui good do well against aizen without ks but would still lose just last longer aizen i think has alot of raw power and uses KS coz he kinda lazy and cocky. ukitake can be judged i think we not seen enough as kubo likes making him useless.
People here are judging shunsui fight with aizen on the fact that aizen dodged one attack and put up a barrier on the other. Well guess what, the barrier actually cracked. Furthermore, isshin took a surprised hit on aizen and he dodged easily too. So by your logic, isshin should be weak against against and yet isshin is kicking his ass
The only thing I think the Hougyouku has been doing for Aizen has been healing him physically. Principally I think his rapid recovery from Hadou #96. Other then that it has been all him. He hasn't shown anything in this war that I wouldn't have imagined him capable of from what we saw when he escaped Soul Society.
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I will agree with Raizen a bit. So far, I don't think we can accurately gauge how strong Ukitake and Shunui really are. Their little showing against Aizen is not indicative of their real strength. Since everyone struggled against Aizen's KS, it does not make them necessarily a weak or over-rated character.
EXACTLY!! We saw shunsui's powers against starks and it was clear that he was as strong as yama stated. We can't count the encounter w/ aizen b/c they have the greatest disadvantage against him
Well Raizen,if for u It's a great thing to defeat a natural adjuchas arrancar that wasn't even the stronger of his army,with a sneak attack that even a VC could pull out on a hybridizated distracted captain,then stick with it....but we all know what this means....http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/397/13/