Oh yeah I just remembered something else about Luffy and Impel Down. Remember those epics like The Odyssey or Virgil's Aeneid? Their main character's were hero's and usually had some type of bloodline from a God (Perseus, Hercules, Achilles). Their main criteria as demigods would be to go through great challenges and one major objective, to travel through hell and return from it. Impel Down is the hell that Luffy traveled down to, all 6 levels and back up. He also has a special bloodline (The Will of D.),he's a D. But yeah, you can say One Piece is like a modern day epic, and Luffy plays our demigod hero. 'D.' for demigod anyone? I'm not serious about 'D.' standing for demigod by the way!haha
Thanks for reading :P
Yes, One Piece follow very well the classic epic style.
I remember a early link in another languange (french I think) which compared situations in One Piece and classic epic stories.
I would like to ask if anyone still have the link. It was very interesting, with situations in classic epics which "still not happened" in One Piece, such as confronting the father figure, or discovering something that angry the world while traveling back to the beggining.
Impel Down reminded me of Dante's Inferno
with all the levels of hell and what punishment in different levels are simmilar to the circle of the hells difference in punishments, Luffy/Dante travels through them meeting various known people on the way
I love how Oda actually does look for outside influences for his manga, his manga contains many references to old stories, epics and even history of our worldly pirates.
Last edited by Lord Rayleigh; April 25, 2010 at 06:58 AM.
I also will quote the first link, as I think it's very important to keep track.
(for some reason Google translator seems to have made a very good translation of this)
Huge post, but I believe it's worth it.
Last edited by Fox666; April 25, 2010 at 08:33 AM.
There was a similar thread in the Naruto forum when one reader discovered that some parts of the story seems to be from star wars but it's just like the the link two threads above says: most storys follow Campbell's classical hero journey. It's an established pattern of writting and might even never really change especially since it seems that some parts are mandatory though obviously not all of them.
When I heard about this the first time I was really surprised but then I thought about some storys of movies, books etc. and you can clearly see this pattern. It's quite interesting though some of the "magic" is lost
edit: I just read a test about translators (online and desktop translators) and google wasn't bad at all (compared to the commercial products). Though it seems to have problems with long sentences.
The Odyssey starred Odysseus, who was not a demigod.
To me, One Piece has been and is a philosophical epic.
The dialogues between major characters is a good example. Or Blackbeard's speeches.
In all stories, the main character is supposed to have a goal and certain cliches also found in other books are bound to happen. It doesn't surprise me if similarities are found.
That large 12-step text was a very interesting read, thanks.
A lot of stories written today have shared plot elements,i see no surprise or disappointment in this
I think there is a site already totally devoted to story cliches, plot elements and character concept etc , if one finds perhaps it might enlightened some of plot devices
Yes of course many stories written today have many many shared plot elements to those written from Shakespeare , who himself looked back borrowed elements of the epics written before his time.
But, this was just an interesting thing I noticed and decided to share. Was unaware of this French essay. I just found it cool how One Piece follows the Epic format but does it in a way that isn't so obvious.
At one point they had "Eaten by a Snake" listed as a cliche named for One Piece, but apparently they've since merged it into general Deus Exit Machina.