Definitely was something major beeing said there, not some stupid say my last words for me thing. You see luffy's eyes and expression when he's beeing told, aswell as Ace's serious like expression. But once he's done saying it you see the "And", he's saying that with a clearly louder voice and a lot more tenacity. He's putting his last shreds of life in to it and shouting his thanks out to everyone, it's a complete turnover from when he was whispering to luffy!
Definitely a future flashback moment, and I like it.
It's never a waste of panels to hear a man's dying words. Would you prefer it to be like: Akainu fists > Ace dies immediately. This is a shonen, everyone has some sort of dying line.
"My voice is getting too quiet. Luffy, I want you to listen to what I say now and tell it to the guys afterwards
Old man. All you guys. And Luffy.
Even though I've been good for nothing my whole life, Even though I carry the blood of a demon within me
You guys still loved me. Thank you so much."
All the ellipses are used to show Ace's trouble breathing as he slowly dies. You think he talked that slowly over most of the chapter to then spurt out the secrets of the world?
And Ace probably wanted to share a lot of things with Luffy. You think he could just put his organs shutting down on hold for a few minutes whilst he catches up with his younger brother? Ace left his dying will and thanked Luffy. Heck, after this flashback we might get a repeat of these words as Luffy finds Ace never thanked him for anything in his entire life.
EDIT: And Luffy's eyes are shocked to match his stunned expression. He cannot imagine Ace, the brother he has always chased from behind, dying in front of him. Tell me how quietly stunned you get if your brother comes to you and says "Oh, about to die. Pass this message on to everyone please because I won't last that long."
Last edited by bittman; May 10, 2010 at 09:17 PM.
Maybe he said "sabo still alive..."
I'm agreeing with bittman 100% since how Ace could even talk very loud or easily when his internal organs are mostly roasted around the are where Akainu punched?!
There was some note about Kuma telling Rayleigh a secret http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/513/11/ . well there he says something, but he might refer Luffys origins, or something about blackbeard or anything.
i don't think the goodbye i love you guys was what ace said before that, cause i mean in no way what-so-ever does luffy look like he is talkin' only ace. i think it really was something..he has to leave something behind for his brother? no?
maybe it's about luffy's real mother? hmm who knows..i'm curious to know what kuma told rayleigh, unless he was telling him the amount of days it takes before the strawhats are sent flying back but that doesn't sound very exciting
We saw every Ace's word. No big mistery there. He wanted Luffy to tell everyone how he felt since Luffy was the only one who could hear what he was saying. Like bittman said, it's not like he took out a friggin megaphone out of his pants. And just the fact that those text clouds were shown on panels with a lot of people, doesn't mean that everyone heard it.
That line - "And...Luffy...", has a continuation on further panels. It's not like the situation with Kuma and Rayleigh where it was certain that Kuma said something.
Here it's just a dying man, with the burned insides, struggling to speak his final words. To express his thanks for all the people who had accepted him as an equal. That's all there is to it.
Frankly, I feel a little dumber for posting in this thread, but I couldn't help it..
EDIT: Now that I think about it, he might have told Luffy that the treasure they've collected is under the tree in the back of Dadan's house.
EDIT2: Doesn't this pic look like Ace had a little too much ketchup?
Last edited by Razh; May 16, 2010 at 10:22 AM.
yeah, i might of overlooked into it. just felt like deleting it since its been discussed and it doesnt seem to go any where.
Last edited by OPWillOfTheD; May 16, 2010 at 11:57 AM.
Hey here's my little 2 cents in the discussion
At the bottom right side of the page, with an itty bitty nudge toward the left
When Ace says "and tell it to the guys afterward" there is another speech bubble with a long "............................." followed by an exclamation point"!" and a question mark "?" so it looks he is saying something and that it was Oda's intent for it to be perceived as a secret to be told afterward "http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/574/12-13/"
Oda has a knack of hiding information in his text that could be interpreted differently at a later date. You may interpret that panel as just Zoro and Luffy referring to the Blackbeard Pirates as "they", BUT it may also be that Zoro or Luffy sensed that there's something wrong with Blackbeard and that he may have three souls or something like that inside him. (Hence the three faced pirate flag and the possibility of a third devil fruit).
My point is, it is a VERY OBVIOUS and STRAIGHT FORWARD way of looking at things to interpret Ace's last words to be just saying goodbye. In fact, that was how I interpreted it the first time I read through it. However, it would make a much more interesting story, and it is certainly within Oda's nature, to hide some information in those panels. It is not entirely outside the realm of possibilities for Ace to share a secret at his dying moments (if he had any that is), and it certainly would have fit with the context of those panels.