Who cares? Kushina got some screen time..FINALLY!
Anyway I don't feel that Kushina's introduction was forced.. I still hold to this theory:
everything has a reason, right? so we have to wait until the next few chapters come out so we would know at least what happened with kushina. her storyline is, after all, a mystery. Now that Jiraiya and Tsunade knew Kushina and that she was introduced even for a little while, i feel that it's necessary to explain what happened to her, even for just a few chapters.
Last edited by mbacarra; June 05, 2010 at 10:36 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
I don't feel her entrance was forced in any way.
Nor do I see how the appearance of someone who was hinted at a hundred chapters ago would be forced. Especially since the other parent was "introduced" the same way. In my opinion, that was more "forced" than Kushina's appearance because it'd hadn't happened before.
Is it just to please the fans? Of course. Not.
It's to move the story along. It's so Naruto can finally meet his mother. It's so he can beat the Kyuubi, etc, etc. I bet this would have happened anyway.
Does it please fans? Sure.
Since Kishi has introduced the jars/containers for Bijuu its possible the Kyuubi didn't have a host, but if they were so secure that way it would seem to undermine the entire notion of having Jinchuuriki in the first place, since they seem to primarily have devastated the countries they belong to..
There is a time and a place to bitch about a story plot point that is when it is over the conversation isn't even started because of that its not a forced entrance if it was in the middle of the chapter and a skimmed over point then yes.
As the saying goes dont count your chickens before they hatch.
I haven't been approving of Kushina's appearance despite my wanting her in the story, mainly because "so far" it seems like a Repeat of the Minato thing which was fine and all but I'm not sure how I feel about the exact same thing happening with Kushina, If there is a perfectly good and actually story relevant reason for her being in there then fine, personally I wanted this to be an illusion of the Kyuubi, foreshadowing her "real" appearance in the story soon.
I do feel as though this was forced and is in general merely fan service, If Minato had been introduced to Naruto in an entirely different way I do not think I would have minded this as much.
But the fact that it seems like a lazy attempt at putting Kushina in the story just does not agree with me, though at the very least I hope we get some good backstory information.
we have 0% information on what happened to kushina and people keep complaining that she is not important.... F...k how do you know that if we know nothing about her on what happened at that night 16y ago.... maybe her part in all this was even more important than minato....... we just have to wait and see how stuff will play out...
Kushina gave birth to naruto so she is REALLY important for the story as she gave birth to the main character... and was for some reason kept hidden way more than minato as naruto's dad....
I guess her apperance will explain what happened 16y ago... and explain some stuff on narutos roots and maybe haveing any kind of special ability (like blood limit from uzumaki clan or something... maybe not active jutsu but a passive one that constantly works in narutos body [like beign able to endure 9tails chakra its hate)
so no kushinas apperance is not forced (she was mentioned long ago first in tsu-jirya talk and later in jirays flashback during pain fight)...its the same how we got bits after bits of info about minato beign narutos dad... before he appered in person and said it to naruto... this time its mom's time and she is the key to tell the story on what happened...
we for sure will learn how she ended up in naruto too...^^ but no she was not force in it... I kinda expected her even sooner like during talk with tsunade.... but her personal apperance was a WOW and its even better to see the main source of what really happened than hear it from a 3rd person who was not on the place ^^
kushina is more important for the story than mostly all female ninjas in naruto put together.... I can remember what sasukes mom did...."dinner, laundry, wash dishes, yell on sons, died".... I wonder what kushina did... saved son...and helped to defeat 9tails in the sealing ritual... Who knows... we will learn it soon....
kinda only 3days to see it... cant wait ^^
50/50 for me.
It gives more screentime for Kushina, we finally get to know about her, what she has to say to her son and all the mystery surrounding Kushina can be revealed right now.
Her entrance only happens when Naruto is in shit. Just like when Naruto was going to give in to the fox against Chibaku Tensei, Minato appears. Same situation here, Naruto was going to be consumed by hatred and now Kushina appears. The next thing you know Naruto is gonna get caught in a Tsukiyomi and then Itachi makes an appearance and snaps him out of it
But overall, I don't really care lol
Personally I don't think you could describe her entrance as forced. It flowed nicely with the story, gave a good cliffhanger ending to a chapter and gives an interesting twist to Naruto's fight with the Kyubi.
I think more of a question is whether it was contrived and poorly done. She's appeared in a similar manner to Minato and there would seem to be a lot less logic behind her chakra being stored in Naruto than Minato's (since as far as we know he performed the technique, not her).
I think it all hinges on how Kishi explains her presense. If he can come up with something inventive that sets her aside from the reason given for Minato popping up then I think her arrival is great. It allows Naruto to win without making the Kyubi look weak (since Kishi was having him lose to the fox until she arrived, enough so that Bee was seriously worried). The only down side is it means Naruto needed help to control the Kyubi rather than doing it alone which would have been nice for building his image up a bit, but that's another issue.
EDIT: thinking about it I should probably say what I think the difference between forced and contrived is . I think that her appearance being "forced" would have meant creating an entire set of unlikely circumstances to allow her arrival BUT the Kyubi fight was always going to happen and it makes perfect sense that if she COULD arrive at this point she would. I am more concerned about explaining how she managed to pop up .
Last edited by Bonfire01; June 06, 2010 at 07:16 PM.
Well I have to agree that we need to know why she did appear during this part of the manga and why not somewhere else. My guess is that she was sealed along with the Kyuubi, although it feels kinda weird to have your mother "inside" you. Kind of disturbing at some level. Anyways, I guess we'll have to wait.
I am totally Ok with Kushina's entrance (if it is indeed her and is not a trick by Kyuubi). The reason I say this is because it is entirely possible that she played a role in the sealing (or at least the events surrounding the sealing). Kyuubi was sealed into Naruto as a newborn, and Kushina was present at some point because she gave birth to Naruto. Minato knew that certain things might occur: Naruto might one day access higher levels of Kyuubi (like 8 tails, which prompted his visit) and that Naruto might one day decide to completely control Kyuubi (which is what is going down now). So it would be reasonable for someone to plan in advance to have important people deliver meaningful information at those times when it is needed most.
Minato knew he would not survive Shiki Fuujin, so he had to take a measure that would allow him to "return" in some sense, but once he had that realization, it isn't a huge leap that he might do something with Kushina, depending on her circumstances at the time of the sealing. She could have been dying due to battle, childbirth, etc. Some would say that it would be the logical thing to do because he could do it with himself, why not allow Naruto to meet his mother once at an important time as well.
Good parents generally like to be there for their children when they are needed the most. I don't really see the issue.
I think it's too early to say whether or not it was forced.
originally, i though kishimoto had no plans for kushina, since,usually, in naruto, the main character's mothers(and women in general) are always ignored by him and get little, or even no development at all.I always though he would just come up with something random to explain her absence(like, getting herself killed by kyuubi).
I got really surprised when she showed up.It opens a lot of new possibilities, especially, because she one of the most mysterious characters in the series(we know nothing about her).
But like I said before, it's to early to judge her entrance.All we know is that the next chapter will either be epic or disappointing.
Do you really think it's justified to jump right up and say it's forced because her entrance is currently seen as unprecedented? My whole issue here is that you can't say it's forced until you see the reason behind it. It is unprecedented at the moment, since we don't understand why or how it occurred now quite yet, but that can change.
So, while this thread is about commentary on the storytelling rather than the story... you can't rightfully critique storytelling when it hasn't even begun to tell the story.