Singles Tier List
Only characters that had at least one match (or currently have one) are to be ranked. For Doubles, only players that played together before may be ranked.
Concerning the Tier Lists for Prefecturals, Tokyo, Kanto and Nationals, the above criteria apply to the given time frame.
Last edited by Kaoz; June 30, 2015 at 01:07 AM.
So Airgrimes, I agree with you in parts. Sanada and Akutsu can break KS for sure, but Atobe Kingdom I have not so sure.
If Atobe hits an AK shot next to Akutsu, considering he has no physical movement limits on a shot he can hit, why cant he hit it if it is next to him?
It means there is a limit to AK and that Atobe will have to hit his AK shots away from Akutsu, meaning AK is not as effective as it usually is.
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Your right, Atobe is slightly above Akutsu at this very moment as far as we know then.
But I think the gap is relatively small.
Also, @Ken, your right about the 5ball thing not being that much, however despite other top guys like Yukimura, Tezuka, Atobe, Fuji, Shiraishi not being able to hit 5 at a time, the Mountain Coach did say that you cant compete with Tokugawa and Oni without hitting 10.
Only Echizen can hit 10 so I dont know what this means, but it is still an argument.
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So we now have:
Atobe is above Akutsu due to lack of evidence for Akutsu being above Atobe.
Atobe has failed to stamp his place at the very top despite getting the most screentime im afraid.
Well, I'll try again... I see 3 ways Atobe winning against Sanada.
Like I said before, Rai will not work at all, if the ball was thrown too far away of him, he can't react at time and, as we have seen recently, Mouri dislocated his shoulder to try to hit a shot at his absolute blind spot (Zettai Shikaku), so I don't have any reason to see happen in different way with Sanada.
Second reason is, in a long match, Atobe has more stamina than Sanada and, as we have seen before, he can't use Rai much time, and if he really improved your stamina while using Rai, Atobe improved too, so in some moment, he will fall down. Tezuka has stamina 3 in Shin Pot and as we seen before, he kept standing up againt Sanada, even him having abandoned the battle and saving stamina, he still fell down.
Last Reason is even Sanada using IN, it will work with Koori no Sekai but not with Atobe Kingdom, because second sees at skeleton level.
So, with Rai and IN sealed, it comes Black Aura. We haven't seen much more, I can't say for sure, but I think the body covered with a black aura, can seal Atobe Kingdom.
Given all this evidence, I still do not believe that Atobe can't be in the same category as Sanada. Depending on the direction of match, I'm sure he can win but can also lose.
However due to Rai, he teleports to the ball.
But now that you have put this way
For most of Atobe/Niou VS Ochi/Mouri, he has not used Atobe Kingdom.
Against Irie, it drained him so much within a game or two that he freaking fainted lol.
Atobe Kingdom is not a technique that can take Atobe through a whole set.
So Atobe using Atobe Kingdom doesnt confirm it will win him more than one set. Let's face it. His stamina is amazing but he will just be a moving around like a helpless sealion as he as been doing at times against Ochi/Mouri.
Remember Atobe got destroyed 6-0 love here.
What's to stop Sanada from using FuuRinKaZan and then going full blast later in the game?
Atobe hasnt shown that he can use Atobe Kingdom for a whole set consecutively like Sanada almost can do with Rai.
Atobe Kingdom is THE ONLY way Atobe could score against Sanada.
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I'll consider putting Atobe in a higher tier, but putting Atobe against Niou, he is dead.
Atobe cant do a thing againts Zero Shiki Serve or Tezuka Zone lol. Let alone Phantom.
Atobe is Niou level.
Tell me what he can do to NOT lose to Niou lol. Since Niou only has to hit ZSS for 3 games and then Tezuka Phantom for the other 3 and that's a set done haha.
Atobe kingdom is ineffective if it cant land in the Court lol.
While Sanada can stop Tezuka Phantom.
Yukimura is stated in the manga to see through all special shots, explaining why he returned Samurai Drive so ZSS will be returned just like Mouri returned it.
Even Fuji seals it off with Closed Eye combined with Cord Ball.
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But your right, I now see Atobe beating Sanada being possible now.
Depends on the feedback of others on here. Not enough people comment on this thread for a change. If others come supporting the theory it will be changed for sure
Rai, like Shukuchi, isn't a teleport. Yanagi said 'speed of light', so it's a violent speed that appears him is teleporting.
Complementing, Atobe doesn't need to use AK all the time in this case, he can seal Rai in a long match, forcing Sanada to stop with Rai to save stamina.
Another case to seal Rai it'd be in the moment the ball kicks the ground, even Sanada being capable to reach the ball, he'll not go, due AK, or he'll go, but can to force too much your legs and break, dislocate or something. Rai will work while the ball doesn't arrive on absolute blind spot.
Even yet, Niou is above Atobe, so maybe you consider to put Niou in a higher tier too.
This is very nicely shown when he returns Mach. He has to focus his Insight only on the ball in order to being able to react to the shot, so he doesn't have the time needed to find the opponent's blind spots in time for the return. And while Ochi/Mouri don't hit the most powerful shots in the world, they are pretty accurate, so that's probably why he again didn't have enough time during the rallies.
And against Irie, the reason why he hurt his ankle was that he slipped because of the snow, nothing more.
I'm not saying that Atobe would beat Sanada. As I see it, the combination of BA and Rai should make it almost impossible for Atobe to hit AK since they are either very fast or have random movement added to them. The former should be comparable to Mach in that it cuts the time Atobe has to react to the shot by quite a bit, the latter's movement should require Insight as well.
I do wish somebody explained this to us in the massive shitstorm of an argument we had on Atobe VS Sanada a few months ago in another thread.
Do you think Rai can counter World of Ice btw? I am in the belief that Rai counters World of Ice.
I hope fans realize that Sanada isnt Irie. He is from Rikkai Dai. They all hit hard whenever they can.
Sanada wont do anything ''for fun'' lol. Sanada wont be saying ''Just Kidding'' or pretending to want to end the match like Irie. He will end it lol.
Had Atobe showed us he can use AK for a long time for consecutive games, then I would gladly accept him in Yuki/Sanada level.
I think it prevents Atobe from being able to really rally with Sanada.
Im in the belief that the only guys who will be able to rally with BA!Sanada will be Yuki, Tezuka(God), Ryoma, and the non-fodder HSers after Atobe's disappointing showing here against Ochi/Mouri.
He is someone who I have high hopes for but with all the screentime he gets he is always used by Konomi for awesome dramatic moments and never to show off his strength.
Niou isnt Yuki or Sanada level.
Unless... We break the tier that Atobe is in again. And have just Niou and Atobe for now in their own tier.
Someone could explain me the difference between Atobe Kingdom, World of Ice and the Insight that he already had in Kanto Tournament (against Tezuka)?
World of Ice: Because human eyes are not able to perceive 360-degree vision at any given time, everyone has a 'blind spot' on the tennis court. This is a spot that they cannot react to. Atobe hits the ball in one of these spots. The only known way to avoid these blind spots are as follows:
1. Use a technique to 'suck' the ball towards yourself, ie. Tezuka Zone, as the ball will veer away from the blind spot;
2. (And this is complete theory) 'Fake your blind spots.' This is presumingly what Yukimura and Irie (more the latter than the former) did to defeat the technique;
Atobe Kingdom: The most superior version of Atobe's insight. It's usually portrayed as Atobe having X-ray vision, but this is not how the technique works. No, he cannot actually see the opponent's bones. Via Atobe Kingdom, Atobe can identify the blind spots within the human body rather than on the court, and these are known as Zettai Shikaku, the "Certain Blind Spots."
Taking the nature of these skills into account, it's easy to see how Nioh can mimic them, given Nioh's own knack for observation.
And for sake of discussion, Momoshiro's insight is completely different. His insight is actually foresight.
Last edited by Brandnewkid; June 17, 2012 at 02:10 AM.
World of Ice is places on the court that will be impossible for the opponent to return. Relying on the opponents blind spots.
Atobe Kingdom is places that the opponent is physically unable to get to. Almost X-Ray vision is used here. Blind spot or not, the opponent physically wont be able to get to it.
Combined, it is an amazing combination. The focus required however would be immense and wont really be able to be sustained for more than a few games.
Insight is Atobe's exclusive ability. Its what separates him from the rest and places him near the top. He knows when to attack and massacre his opponent, when to hold back and how to see through play styles.
Just like Yukimura's exclusice ability was to see through special shots,
Irie's exclusive ability to understand his opponents completely and understanding the play styles, technique extremely quickly.
And there are many others who have exclusive abilities in this illogical sports series.
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Shiraishi VS Fuji.
Currently as the story is now, who would win?
Shiraishi. He's Yukimura Lite. Fuji can evolve all the way until he's blue in the face, his shots are still too fancy.