Singles Tier List
Only characters that had at least one match (or currently have one) are to be ranked. For Doubles, only players that played together before may be ranked.
Concerning the Tier Lists for Prefecturals, Tokyo, Kanto and Nationals, the above criteria apply to the given time frame.
Last edited by Kaoz; June 30, 2015 at 01:07 AM.
Devil Mode got changed from a generic 'always positive buff' to 'serious side effects' between POT and NPOT. The POT version is almost like Muga without side effects (and presumaly why Kirihara was pushed into that direction instead of just learning Muga). You can't tell me that there's supposed to be a stamina penalty when Kirihara looks like on the verge of death against Krauser while down 5-0 and then won 7 games in a row without breaking a sweat and yet there's supposed to be a stamina penalty. Aside from possibly selling your soul to the devil there's really no visible side effects of Devil Form in POT. The NPOT version obviously has serious side effects.
Phantron pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Konomi changed DM when we reached SPoT.
However, Kirihara and Kaidoh are similar in Devil Mode emotional snaps.
The only reason Kirihara tapped into it easier is because he has Yagyuu/Niou as teammates.
They are the most loveable jackasses in the series. You don't realize they are jackasses until you analyze the things they have done.
Because the whole Rikkai squad trust Yagyuu who speaks fluent English, he decides to tell Kirihara that the foreigners dissed his hair and called him a bastard.
Niou uses his impersonation abilities to impersonate the opponent and also call Kirihara a bastard.
If Kaidoh had teammates like Yagyuu/Niou dissing his hair or calling him a bastard whenever he is losing he will probably enter DM pretty quick lol.
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Personally I thought the tie-breaks were extremely reflective of what would happen in real matches.
And Kenya 3 - 7 Shiraishi is completely legit result and there is no evidence pointing in the other direction I'm afraid.
Yushi 7-0 Mukahi
Fuji. S 7-0 Fuji. Y
Yukimura 7-1 Sanada (Without the assumption that Konomi was going to give Sanada what atm is the biggest boost out of the MSers so far)
Kikumaru 7-4 Oishi (Kikumaru wouldn't have dropped a point if he played seriously from the start, he didnt use Seal Step)
Kamio 7-5 Ibu (Kamio never used Mojuu no Aura)
Kite 7-0 Kai
Chinen 17-15 Tanishi
Marui 10-8 Jackal
Ootori 9-7 Shishido
Everything here is pretty much legit and how a match would go
I must say I disagree with Kenya > Yushi personally.
I think he is the better cousin.
If you remember the Closed Mind thing that raped and ripped apart Nationals!Momoshiro, sure Momo was holding back power but its not like Kenya has power like Momoshiro.
The whole F&D, DFDR, SSAS stuff, I don't see Kenya being able to read any of those.
You can also add Niou/Yagyuu match. Yagyuu is superior in term of base stats (I think...?), but Niou wasn't using his illusion. And no illusion is actually a very HUGE debuff on Niou. Remember that Fuji was owning Niou completely until illusion start triggering. And no, this doesn't really go against my point earlier. You can also look at Kamio match, who didn't use beast aura in his match, hence, the more even score between the two players. That's similar to how illusion isn't used in this match, but Niou, well, lose instead of win.
"Reading" become less of a deal when you had the speed to increase your court coverage. Other than hard to read path, Yuushi doesn't have any real destructive power. While the trick will probably be successful at some point, I don't think it's as clear as you say it is. And 4 ball at once shows that Kenya needs to have a fine reaction time to be able to react to 4 different balls as well as the speed to back it up (but well, no one is doubting that Kenya had the speed to begin with) because if you lack reaction speed, the ball will just simply go past you. That's why I think Kenya is superior.
Yuushi downfall is owning cancer so hard he miss the chance at mountain training camp. Mountain camp seemed to improved the players a ton more.
EDIT: I'll like to ask about Niou's syncho. Can you syncho with everyone off bat at the start of double match? He syncho with Atobe when the pair is in great peril (which would pass the condition of entering syncho that is shown in PoT match with Hyoutei). Yes, he syncho with Mutsu, but Mutsu and golden pair both are players that can activated syncho of their own free will. Atobe is not. It could have been the same, but it could have been different. I don't really have an opinion on this matters, but just some food for thoughts.
I don't knows what to think of Niou's place in the tier. This is singles tier, correct? In singles, Niou is pretty much National! Tezuka right now. Regardless of his ability as gameshark syncho, it won't do anything. That'll be in doubles tier.
Last edited by -Ken-; February 19, 2013 at 01:16 PM.
Lol... every time I come on here and see one of Ken's posts, he always says something I disagree with. Yuushi is Hyotei's Fuji. Kenya is Shitenhouji's waterboy. Both characters are portrayed in entirely different ways with two completely different tennis styles. Kenya is speed. That's it. Yuushi is a technician. Stop trying to compare people to Fuji when trying to put a gauge on Kenya. I already demonstrated how your whole basis for that is nonsensical. Notwithstanding the fact it is a massive assumption on your part.Originally Posted by Ken
There is nothing anywhere that says Cancer lost to Yuushi because of stamina. Cancer was the first one defeated in the tiebreak matches, and all he does is tell Yuushi he was a jerk for not letting emotions get in the way. It was a short match. Literally. 3 pages.Originally Posted by Ken
I go by establish facts in the manga. And let me corrects you,
Yuushi is Hyotei's Fuji who almost lost to Momoshiro if his ball didn't go in. He says this himself.
Here's a support from the manga, by the player himself.
And to add to it,
Yuushi is Hyotei's Fuji who almost lost to Momoshiro if his ball didn't go in, and would have lost to National! Momoshiro right now in the current format of 3 set match because even if he won the first match, his hand is out for the rest of the two match. .
Well, that seems very impressive.
If you disagree with a man himself, well, I don't knows what to say. If it's a speculators, sure, there are reasons to disregard it. But since this is the player himself, I don't see why it should be disregard. And yes, comparison to Fuji is valid. If Kenya can possibly beat 4 counter Fuji, what can Yuushi do? Almost losing to National Momoshiro is not an accomplishment.
If you don't like 3 set match, too bad. It's not my fault Konomi is making current match best of 3 set match.
Hyoutei is not as good of a school as Shitenhouji. I make a thread on that once, and I don't recall people suggesting that Hyoutei can win without some lucky shot.
The reason he lost 7-0 is that Konomi is showing the tier of the characters by disregarding the short match aspect completely
He disregard the stamina.
Last edited by -Ken-; February 20, 2013 at 10:48 AM.
With that, and the fact that Momoshiro was holding back against Yushi,
I can't be sure how 4thCounter would do.
Would Fuji need Kirin Otoshi to stop a Dunk Smash at Nationals? Or could he do it with Higuma Otoshi?
Momoshiro isn't returning Tsubame Gaeshi or Hakugei.
It all depends on whether or not 4thCounter!Fuji could stop a 100% Dunk Smash.
4thCounter!Fuji > Nationals!Momoshiro I think.
Because Momo forgot his Nature Insight immediately after that match.
If Kenya sprints the wrong way at high speed, its not easy to sprint in the other direction immediately.
SSAS and F&D are gonna be a serious problem.
For example, Tanishi has 4ball, Yanagi, Inui, Fuji, Shiraishi, Atobe, Kite, Chitose, Tachibana and Niou do not.
So Tanishi is now stronger than those that I mentioned?
I think it only becomes a significant tier difference once that person reaches 10ball.
Being too strong to lose to your opponent so that the opponent who's ass you kicked went away and came back able to defeat you.
It pisses me off how much better Mountain Training is than this more or less crap U-17 Camp training.
All those HSers from 5th Court downwards are a waste of Japanese Government funds.
If he can Synchro with anyone off the bat I doubt. I think he needs to be pressured as well as take time to get an accurate illusion.
Since anyone who plays tennis knows that it can take a few games to get fully into a match that you're playing.
Example is the few games it took to become Tezuka.
Either way he is the best Doubles player in the series hands down.
However, remove Saiki Kanpatsu no Kiwami...
Since we are yet to see that move in SPoT.
I don't know if Konomi has scrapped those moves from the series like he seems to have scrapped Standard Muga from the manga.
Niou would go just above Atobe and I always thought of them as equals/parallels once Atobe had finished getting his ass handed to him by Irie.
Considering with high technique stats Hyakku Ren can no longer be a threat.
As you can see, it seem to be more even than you think But well, as I said, it's probably the same tier. It won't be shut out by either side for sure.
Of course, Tezuka Zone is wayyy better for dealing with Atobe than Phantom. But Atobe break Tezuka Zone before with his insight. But I don't know if he can use his insight in that way along with using Atobe Kingdom.
Atobe obviously cannot break TZone and use WoI line at the same time. If he could he'd have used it against Ryoma already. Assuming Niou doesn't change his illusion (he should just copy Ryoga or Byodouin or Oni and it'd be an easy win) it'd basically end up as a battle of only basic moves because their moves cancel each other out. It seems pretty clear that Tezuka could've comfortably outlasted Atobe in an endurance game back in the Kantou tournament if he didn't past injuries to worry about, and Niou doesn't have an injury to worry about. Yes both improved since then but I'd say Tezuka's improvement easily outstrips that of Atobe's, so there's no reason why Tezuka can't beat Atobe in a straightup match that involves no special moves. So Niou should win something like 7-5 or 7-6 X 2.
For the synchro issue, Niou can illusion as people he barely met so all he has to do is illusion as his doubles partner. The only case it might not work out well is if his partner is way better or way worse than him. The latter case is self explanatory but the former case would be say Niou try to illusion as Tezuka while at nationals while partnered with Tezuka. Since he's said to be considerably weaker at that point, there might not be much point for the real Tezuka to synchro with a weaker version of himself.
Look at it this way.
Niou survived 12 games + 46+ points using ZSS and TZone/T Phantom non-stop.
This means he can hit ZSS for 12 games without his arm damaging.
Atobe cannot return ZSS. Atobe will have to stop using his WoI and AK if he wants to stop TPhantom or TZone.
This is heavily in Niou's favour.
6-4 7-5 with a Niou win.
The first match will most likely go into tie break. All Atobe have to do to is to drag that out as long as possible.
ZSS deals much more damage to the arm than Phantom. Tezuka match with Sanaada show this. That's why Niou is mostly using Phantom more than ZSS.
And Niou did not use much ZSS/Phantom during those 12 games compare to tiebreak.
And clearly, same way that Atobe can't spam Atobe Kingdom freely, Niou also can't spam Tezuka Phantom and ZSS freely. Otherwise, we would have saw him end the tiebreak 7-0. Tezuka is shown to be getting many consecutive games with those two move (until Sanada pulls out Rin).
Last edited by -Ken-; February 21, 2013 at 10:55 AM.
The special moves really don't matter (and Niou has a rather significant advantage there since Tezuka's moves are a strong counter to Atobe's) because Tezuka is significantly stronger than Atobe baseline. The only reason Atobe was even able to catch up in Kantou was because Tezuka hurt his shoulder, and Tezuka even lasted a while even though he can no longer serve in the tiebreaker. Niou's inability to copy Tezuka perfectly is insignificant compared to the fact that Niou has no previous injury to worry about. There's no reason to believe Atobe somehow bridged the gap between him and Tezuka at Kantou. If anything I'd argue Tezuka has left him further behind. Tezuka is more than capable of beating Atobe at his own game (endurance match) if he didn't have past injuries to worry about.
Mouri in terms of technique should be better than Atobe.
Considering Mouri uses no special moves or abilities and was NO.10 by pure stats strongly supports this.
The first match, Niou will absolutely positively keep his serve. That's three out of 6 games.
Niou can use TZ to get around AK and WoI.
Atobe's Tannhauser Serve isn't taking more than a few points.
And actually Niou did use TPhantom for 45+ points.
Aswell as over 8games.
Therefore in Singles he will be able to win against Atobe over three sets.
The reason the tie-break wasn't 7-0 was simply because Mouri and Ochi were that good.
Mach Serve is something Atobe couldn't even confidently return.
Niou can spam TPhantom freely.
He began after a few points into the tie-break so it could never have been 7-0.
Irrelevant, but perhaps the most painfully, stupid and arrogant decision in the series.
Costed the bastard his badge.
SPoT Tezuka is another thing entirely, he's in god realm now, but PoT Tezuka?
Last edited by -Ken-; February 21, 2013 at 02:26 PM.