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This fight takes place in an alternate universe where, instead of Shunsui interrupting their fight here, the battle between Love and Starrk would have continued. Also, disregard Rose's presence. Let's say he was killed by the wolves or something. It was Love that was primarily fighting Starrk anyway. Rose didn't jump in until the wolves attacked him.
The fight begins right after this page: http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-386-page-18.html
Starrk tells Love to run and Love responds "screw you".
What happens next?
Does Starrk summon more wolves and send them to destroy Love?
Does Love demonstrate some more shikai techniques, hollow techniques (cero etc.), or use his bankai?
Last edited by El Samurai Guapo; June 10, 2010 at 07:04 PM.
I'd think love's most logical move would be to go bankai+mask. Shikai clearly does not cut it against the wolves so I'd think his best move would be to break through the wolves with something really powerful(bankai +mask) and deal some decent damage to starrk. I do think his bankai could do the trick here, although we would have to see exactly what it is. Following bleach logic, it'd probably be a meaner, larger mace with a hell lot more destructive power and range so perhaps it'd be enough to reach starrk.
Depends on what love's bankai is.
Also, notice how Starrk never indicated that he would use the wolves to finish them off. He simply said he was going to give them the finishing blow. In fact, he was up in the air and suddenly came down and landed on that pillar (which is when Shunsui stabbed him), so I don't believe he was planning on using more wolves.
As for Love not hurting Starrk after those two hits he gave him, that could've been because of Starrk's hierro. This was probably the first time Love had ever faced an arrancar, so he had no idea of their hierro. That's not to say that Love could not have adjusted or become accustomed to cutting through their hierro (the way Kenpachi did with Nnoitora). I think Love may have still won without resorting to bankai, and if he did use bankai, I seriously doubt hewould need the mask as well.
i dont think love could have won without bankai. for one he would of ogt hit twice because half the wolves went after rose. also if starrk fired 1000 cero at him instead of just 2 or 3 love couldnt bat them away so easy.
Bankai should make Love 5-10 times more powerful. Also, Starrk himself said that his ceros would be useless against Love.
The only thing Starrk has to contest love is his wolves and his melee skills (IE, breaking out the energy sword like he did vs. Shunsui), so Love with mask+bankai just needs to stop the wolves and have the advantage on a melee starrk.
I personally think he can do it, a captain's bankai is a force to be reckoned with.
Love would definitely need bankai to stand a chance against Stark. I don't think Love could wear his mask again (for some time) because wolves broke it. The result of the fight depends on the effectiveness of Love's bankai against Stark's wolves but since Love was injured and without a mask, I would put my money on Stark's victory.
I didn't vote for anybody cause we don't have a freaking clue what Love's Ban Kai does. Topics like this don't make any sense. My personal opinion though is that all 4 people Starrk fought are stronger than him. *Kubo saved their Ban Kai's for stronger enemies than that.
EDIT: *Aizen excluded cause he has plot armour. They'll fight against more powerful subordinates most likely.
Last edited by Xerneas; June 11, 2010 at 11:18 AM.
The way I saw things, it wasn't until right before Love and Rose were blown up by the wolves that they realized they were so deadly. So really how can someone count Love out, even in shikai? It's not like he even had a chance to launch his own counterattack before Shunsui butted in.
Just because an attack worked once on him doesn't mean it would continue to do so. I think this is true for all the characters of Bleach. I doubt anyone could get away with simply spamming the same attack against a captain level opponent and not have it eventually countered. Moreover, as I said before, I don't think Starrk could summon an unlimited about of those wolves. If you ask me, the reason why he used a sword against Shunsui instead of the wolves was because they were all used up on Love and Rose.
We've learned from Ichigo that the masks can be reapplied or even fixed at any moment. The mask is just the physical manifestation of their hollow powers. I don't think damaging or destroying the mask itself really does much of anything. As long as the shinigami still has enough reiatsu or is not critically injured, they should be able to summon the mask at any moment. As for the injuries Love sustained from the wolves, they were moderate at best.Originally Posted by Gran Maestro
Last edited by El Samurai Guapo; June 12, 2010 at 02:36 PM.
Love would simply go bankai and obliterate stark. he would become 10 times stronger and that stupid weapon of his would have become 10 times better, while stark was left without his only cool ability (which failed miserably btw)
Last edited by AlB; June 12, 2010 at 01:27 PM.
Considering merely his shikai + mask did that much, I'd be quite scared of what his bankai + mask can do at the moment. Surely starrk would have something to fear when concerning love's bankai, even if the guy does not use a mask (all the other captain bankais had it in them to kill espada with their bankai, I don't see why the case would not be the same with love or any other vizard).
Maybe one of the 11 people who voted for Starrk could share their thoughts on this topic?
Well, Stark's attack shattered Love's mask and any attack that is strong enough to shatter a vizard mask deals a considerable amount of damage. If Love was not injured at all and if he was able to reapply his mask any moment, it means Love was immune to Stark's wolves which doesn't make sense. If Love didn't have his mask, he would have been critically injured, the mask protected him to some extent, this is why he wasn't incapacitated but it doesn't mean he was in good shape. We know what happened to Ichigo after Ulquiorra's cero oscuras attack which shattered Ichigo's mask and dealed a great amount of damage. Ichigo was injured and Ichigo couldn't reapply his mask. Stark said his wolves were stronger than cero, if Stark's strongest attack is not weaker than cero oscuras, then you can understand the amount of damage that was dealt on Love. If Love's durability is not way better than Ichigo's, it's safe to assume that it would have been very hard for him to come back and win under these circumstances. This is my take on the matter.
And I must say appearance alone may be misleading, we have to have reiatsu-meter to measure the extent of damage, for example have a look at Ulquiorra right before he died. Does he look like someone whose internal organs are damaged beyond regeneration? Comparative assessment is always more reliable and saying "Love is not injured" means either Stark's wolves were a joke compared to Ulquiorra's CO or Ichigo's durability was a joke compared to Love's (and Rose's). We know neither is true.
Starrk can reform his wolves in any manner he wants. When they explode it doesn't mean he doesn't have more wolves. Where was it stated that was the case? Nowhere. In fact it stated that the wolves were apart of his soul. His ability is to split his soul. So the wolves would be able to reform as long as Starrk is alive. No matter what Bankai does Love was spent. He had nothing left. That's why Shunsui came in. Starrk being who he is beat Love and Rose together. He said, here comes the death blow. Meaning it was about to be over before Shunsui saved their asses. It's not hard to figure out when that's exactly what the manga shows and states. Sure Love was mad at the end, but when Shunsui said don't try to act like good kids. Getting caught up in matters of style and losing the battle is for UNDERLINGS. In other words, they lost and they're combined skills weren't nearly enough to defeat Stark, who could split his soul into wolves and guns. Lillynette was apart of him. She was only there as a counterpart to his soul. Once he released, he regained ALL of his soul, or Lillynette. The reason he split his soul in the first place was because of how strong and powerful he was. People here state that Love was unhurt. More like Starrk was unhurt. No marks, no scratches, no torn clothing. If we look at Ichigo as a basis, the torn clothing is an indicator of how much reiatsu is left, or how much strength they have. The ripped clothes, the scratches and bruises on Love and Rose were indicators that only a couple wolves were enough to do significant damage to both of them. Now if we see that Stark said he could fire 1000 ceros, my bet is that he could at least do a fraction of that with wolves. Notice how the wolves were apparent but the guns weren't, http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/372/18-19/ that means Lillynette was again apart of Starrk and the wolves, because obviously she was apart of Starrk from the beginning. But when the guns left, the wolves came- which were from the bandoleers on his back http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/373/01/. In that picture on the link I gave, you can clearly see how many wolves there was. Starrk's ability of the wolves came from the guns, even Love figured it out http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/373/14/, but he thought they were ceros. Which they weren't as Starrk explained, they were apart of his soul- in other words, just like lillynette, even in a page before that, he says, 'let's go Starrk', in other words it was lillynette talking to him as the wolves. Here is where Starrk explains it, that they are both him and Lillynette http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/373/16/. So of course, Love and Rose thinking they were ceros were wrong. If you think that Starrk had a limited amount of Wolves, then that's wrong. We see Starrk can produce wolves at command because they are apart of his soul. So as long as he's still alive, those wolves will be present, if they blow up he can produce more. Because they are rendered from his soul and they are turned into weapons.
if starrk can keep sending waves of wolves he would have done it against Shunsui but he didnt...there would be a limit as the wolves are his soul so keep using them would kill him in the end.
i think starrk can do 2 waves of wolves if that is the case Love could keep up with starrk by smashing Starrk with shikai and mask will wear starrk down and bankai he needs it...
The fight was no where near over Love was ready for Round 2 and to go all out when shunsui turned up. shunsui was not needed to kill starrk instead kubo used the chance to show shunsuis shikai by interupting the fight and making shunsui Fanboys as bad as like Aizen fanboys
Last edited by Hystzen; June 14, 2010 at 06:27 PM.