Byakuya shikai defeats Urahara shikai
Byakuya shikai vs Urahara shikai, too close to tell
Urahara shikai defeats Byakuya shikai but loses to Byakuya bankai
Urahara shikai vs Byakuya bankai, too close to tell
Urahara shikai defeats Byakuya bankai
Rules and Conditions:
1. Both Urahara and Byakuya can use all the abilities they shown, except bankai.
2. The fight starts in the air in FKT.
1. Byakuya can use bankai. Urahara can only use bankai when it's shown.
2. The fight starts in the air in FKT.
3. Byakuya is willing to use his full power in this fight (1000 senki blades at the same time).
Scenario 1 I think Urahara will win. Him and Byakuya have similar abilities, but Urahara seems better in most aspects. At the moment, it looks like Byakuya would win scenario 2. I still think Urahara has a good chance of winning, because IMO Urahara is on a higher level. I doubt Byakuya could hold off a HG empowered Aizen as long as Urahara did.
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Last edited by thornofcarrion; October 17, 2010 at 01:53 PM.
Scenario 1: Urahara. Even if Urahara can't use his inventions (you said only shikai) nor his kido his shikai is similar to Ichigo's and Ichigo's shikai pwned Byakuya's shikai.
Scenario 2: Obv we don't know until we see his bankai. Also, 1000 senkai blades is as much full power as his normal bankai form (1 mil "petals" vs 1 mil "petals" compressed into 1000 zanpakutou, the net amount of "petals" is the same). Shuukei (where he compresses all 1 mil "petals" into 1 zanpakutou) is however undoubtedly his strongest single attack.
I should of thought that through a little more before I typed it
Both of them can use all the abilities in scenario 1, except bankai.
Alright. Well, Byakuya has demonstrated some powerful lower leveled kidou w/o incantation and a dankuu w/o incantation. Kisuke has used hadou 91with incantation, so it's hard to compare kidou ability. As Byakuya has used lower leveled kidou without incantation to good use, while Kisuke has been using high level kidou with incantation, also to good use (Aizen said it would have been bad w/o hogyoku).
Add on to that Urahara's inventions and it's really leaning towards Urahara.
Kisuke's shikai is like superior version of Ichigo's bankai (at least up until this point). Not only does it fire an attack that's very similar to GT, but it can also create shields and and a binding net which later can be detonated and make a powerful explosion. I would lean towards Kisuke in both scenarios.
But yeah, his reiatsu-based attack from shikai is very similar to Ichigo's (used in training grounds against each other they made similar marks on the ground). Then he has his other abilities (shield, net, exploding net, etc.). So yeah, it's basically Ichigo's shikai on steroids (at least until Ichigo learns final getsuga tenshou).
Last edited by El Samurai Guapo; July 11, 2010 at 10:09 PM.
Byakuya can hang with Urahara, he can hang with anyone. He stopped Gin's sword without Shikai or Bankai to save Rukia after he just faced Bankai Ichigo(even if he was severly injured), whom he rescued out from under Gin AND Aizen's eyes. That's speed. His cicada technique is a perfect counter for Urahara's portable gigai trick. I don't think it's an easy victory for either one. I'd rate them about even. I don't think Urahara is as fast as Byakuya, although they both trained with Yoruichi, I'd still put them evenly. Kido also. Shikai abilities maybe a bit better for Urahara, but I don't think by much.
2. Any shikai increases power over sealed state.
3. Kisuke may be as quick as Ichigo is in bankai, but his shikai doesn't make him faster than he is unreleased does it? That's one of the unique abilities of Ichigo's bankai which has not been demonstrated by any other zanpakutou.
4. Urahara's reiatsu-based attack hasn't shown the ability to be held with the zanpakutou when attacking, or be controlled by the user actively when used as does tensa zangetsu's getsuga tenshou. It's much more akin to Zangetsu's shikai getsuga tenshou, which is quick reiatsu-based attack.
Seriously, if you look past the size and shape difference, Ichigo's shikai and Urahara's shikai are far more similar than Ichigo's bankai and Urahara's shikai.
Glad to see no one using the recent chapters as evidence in Urahara's favor. I mean, he was really impressive, but his greatest damage was done by an attack that turned Aizen's own power against him. And he didn't actually fight him directly.
So can we really say we have an accurate guage of Urahara's movement speed, attack power, and endurance? I don't really think so.
Since we haven't seen urahara's bankai, I will limit my post to scenario 1.
I think urahara has an edge here but not by much. Kido wise, they seem about equally skilled IMO. Byakuya has yet to show 90th level kido but other than that he has shown at least the same level of kido usage as kisuke. For kisuke to have a definite edge in kido he'd need at least to be capable of using 90th level kido without incantation. Anything less than that can be easily cancelled by danku at least. Shunpo wise, we have actually seen more from byakuya... kisuke was actually a member from the 2 squad but in turn byakuya learned directly from yoruichi... Hard to tell IMO. Main reason I think urahara has an edge over byakuya are his inventions (which have not shown to be anything fantastic other than the wrist thing though) and his shikai which is far more versatile than byakuya's. It'd be interesting if urahara's more elaborate shikai techniques could be blocked with danku though. Anyways, slight edge for urahara IMO.
same as above we dont know uraharas bankai so avoiding that battle.
i like byaukya he such a all rounder it dangerous but urahara is above.
he is a dangerous swordsman n always has resolve to kill no matter who it is... n shikai has good ablilites mist shield, his red gt n the net ......but he has that cuff move he does that on byaukya by doing as we saw with aizen like byakuya slash him n that cuff attack will murder byakuya he be done.
I think that with bankai, Byakuya would take it (seeing as how urahara can only use shikai) in scenario 2. I doubt that Urahara has a speed advantage, and he would need it vs Byakuya's bankai.
Though in a clash of shikais, Urahara's versatility should provide him with the advantage. Also, I think Urahara has a slight Kido advantage as well. So scenario 1, Urahara.
Well Byakuya and Urahara pretty much have the same skills since they both trained with/under Yoruichi. Add what could be anywhere from 10-100 years more experience to Urahara's advantage, and he has the edge.
side note: About his performance against Aizen, Urahara admitted that his moves would not have worked on him if he wasn't high on his own arrogance.
Scenario 2. I would say Byakuya if it is a straight fight, without hax inventions.
Last edited by Nicholas.Sama; July 12, 2010 at 08:59 PM.