We know that after the war marines will had to change many things.. Songoku and Garp given up their positions in marines. So one of the admirals will be next fleet admiral and that will live one place empty. I will bet that Dobberman(most probably) or Onigumo will be promoted from VA to Admiral rank. Doberman have diffrent clothes from the other vice admirals like John Gigant(I know that is weak argument ), always is in center when they show few VA on page(ennies lobby and war) and he looks like most experienced fighter in VA rank. Onigumo was given a mission to escort Ace from ID to Marineford so he must be strong enough for goverment to entrust him that mission. I started this thread to see what do you guys think about that "new admiral" thing?
^I'm rooting for Strawberry-san, my favorite among the Vice-Admirals in terms of design though I fear that he is too lenient for such a promotion (the Gorouse seem to side with Akainu's view of justice more). And since he hasn't been shown to be outstanding among the Vice-Admirals in terms of strength either (like Garp) my hopes are not high.
If Aokiji is promoted to Fleet-Admiral then I think Smoker will be promoted to Admiral (if he is able to use Haki) or at least Vice-Admiral. But if Akainu becomes the next Fleet-Admiral, I think a more ruthless, established Vice-Admiral like Onigumo will be promoted. Though that will ruin the trend of all Admirals being logia-users...
In terms of strength, I would be looking toward Smoker. However, Garp avoided the position of admiral because the responsabilites he would have. I suppose that an Admiral can't go in a personal quest against a certain rookie pirate, like Smoker is pretending with Luffy.
I don't feel none of the vice-admirals we have seen are worth the post. So I guess it will be a crazy new introduced character.
And I hope that you will be postively disappointed in VA in the future events and when one of them will became Admiral
I'm voting for Smoker only because he's a logia. The 3 Admirals should stay logia in my opinion. If anyone else, then it has to be someone with a Devil Fruit, definitely.
Or maybe I'm just underestimating the current Vice-Admirals...?
Smoker might not be promoted for the story's sake, if he becomes Admiral his movements'll be more restricted as opposed to G-5 where he'll able to pursue Luffy. He certainly deserves it though (not sure if he knows Haki tho).
About the Logia theme, the Shichibukai had an animal theme and Blackbeard broke that up (even if only temporarily). So I think it should be fine if the Logia theme for the Admirals is broken up.
That said, none of the available VAs seem monstrous enough to be Admiral-level...so far Momonga, that dog Zoan guy, and maybe Onigumo (snuck up on Marco) have been confirmed to be top-tier (plus most of the Giants), but even then they don't seem to compare to the Admirals.
Who knows? I'm going to say someone completely new.
Regarding Smoker's strength, his clash with Boa didn't really show much. She didn't "own" him, she simply kicked him off Luffy then broke his jutte. And apart from Momonga and John Giant, we haven't seen enough to make a (loose) judgement of the VA's strength.
What if we get a giant who ate a logia... that would be an awesome admiral concept
realistically I'd choose the spider guy though
John Giant is out of the question- he was defeated by one Whitebeards quake punch and Akainu was still kicking after two so JG is too weak. The same Momonga- n war when WB reached the plaza and started to attack with his bisento(adding sometnhing related to his fruit to attacks) Momonga and some other VA were trembling http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/566/18-19/ Momonga nad secon one with mustaches. Dobberman is also visible and he isnt moving at all like Akainu and Kizaru one panel to the left. Wonder if he have dobberman DF, with all those scars and one dead eye he probably look badass while using his DF(if he have any).
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In my oppinion, Smoker is still a long way of to Admiral Level. I don't see him promoted to VA yet, either. We don't know if he can use haki to any extend. We also don't know if hes utilizing his fruit in any way yet. As it looks till now, smoker is a meere meely fighter who's not using his fruit other then doding attacks (yes this is a nice feat). I guess Doberman or Onigumo are top of the VA that we saw. Still it could be another VA either. After all, there still could be a logia between the VA as we haven't even seen all their DFs. We only saw Onigumo (probably spider zoan) if I remember correctly. The others were all just using meelecombat skills.
Guess we will find out soon enough though.
I would like to be a VA who we have seen already, but we don't know his abilities. Doberman, Yamakaji, Strawberry, that big one with an iron-mask or that VA who has french-like looking with a moustache. I don't know if Momonga has another powers or abilities besides swordmanship and Rokushiki techniques, but if he doesn't, I don't think he would be promoted. Or maybe will be a character we haven't seen yet.
If Aokiji becomes Fleet Admiral, then Strawberry to be VA. If it's Akainu, then Doberman to be VA. But on the basis of the way they want the Marines to be reformed.
Maybe Smoker could be promoted to Rear Admiral. Wouldn't be surprised if he becomes vice in the future but not yet.
I think that the new Admiral won't be someone who was defeated during the war for obvious reasons. So, John Giant, Lacroix and Ronse won't be promoted since they were defeated and it was also broadcasted.
I wonder if it will be one of the Vice-Admirals we know that will be promoted. If that's the case, I'll bet on Onigumo since he was the one who handcuffed Marco and the one who was responsible for Ace's transfer. He also has a name which fits the classical " Admiral surname " - Demon Spider.
Anyway, I'd like to see someone we do not really know and that we already have seen in the manga take the seat of Admiral. I think in particular about a Vice-Admiral who was seen with Tsuru and other Vice-Admirals. He seems to be a leader among the Marines and even the Vice-Admirals - we saw him several times, and he was present at the first Shichibukai summit, and he was in the front of the Vice-Admiral picture. We don't know his name yet, so it may be the time for Oda to reveal who he is.
PS : we are not sure that if an Admiral becomes a Fleet Admiral, a Vice-Admiral will be necessarily promoted. That may be the case, and that may happened months after the last Admiral was promoted. And that's the same with the Vice-Admiral position and people talking about Smoker. It was never stated anywhere that in the Marine, there had to be 3 Admirals, a certain number of Vice-Admirals etc...
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Well, it's safe to assume that one of the three current Admirals will be promoted to the Fleet Admiral, correct?
Going down the hierarchy, that means that a current Vice Admiral is sure to be promoted to this rank. Both Kuzan (Aokiji) and Sakazuki (Akainu) were Vice Admirals before they were promoted to the Admiral rank. Well, except for Garp (who has decided to resign on his own terms), do we know any Vice Admirals who are exceptional enough for the position? Naturally a Vice Admiral who has shown a prestige in battle and in tactical leadership is qualified to advance in rank. This is best reflected in his or her performance in the Whitebeard War.
Most of the Vice Admirals that we know of are not really as important or influential enough in the government. My best guess would have to be Tsuru. She is a direct subordinate of Sengoku (the previous Fleet Admiral). She was present for the vast majority of meetings, including the Shichibukai meeting during Jaya and was on the front lines. She wasn't seen often during the actual battle, of course, but one would think that she has much more influence than the majority of the other Vice Admirals in position.
Of course, we can't really compare any of the new recruits for the Admiral rank to the current trio.
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And I don't believe most of Vice-Admirals are very strong (at least strong like Smoker or Sentoumaru) because they had quite a bad time during the series. I.e. the 3 Vice-Admirals Doflamingo played in Mariejoia, the fat guy from Ace's cover story, the five admirals that do not interfered in Rob Lucci combat. It's not confirmed, but it's very probably that giant Luffy took down right after he landed in Marineford was an vice-admiral. And I am not including the 3 ones which Whitebeard and Oars took down because that's not something to be ashamed of.
At least there are some strong guys beetween them, like the 3 Admirals in early years and Garp. And I would expect something good from Tsuru too.