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We all know the Espada's represent different aspects of death. We also know there were supposed to be seven that represented the seven deadly sins, but Kubo changed the number and representation. However, the characters themselves still seem to be designed (actions and personalities) in relation to the (seven) deadly sins, in my opinion at least.
The seven deadly sins have been re-worked in the past, however they can be split up into ten: Lust, Extravagance (form of Lust), Gluttony, Acedia (form of Sloth), Despair (second form of Sloth), Wrath, Pride, Vainglory (form of pride), Greed, and Envy.
In order of Espada ranking:
Yammy Riyalgo - Gluttony
Coyote Starrk - Acedia
Baraggan Luisenbarn - Vainglory
Tia Harribel - Lust
Ulquiorra Cifer - Despair
Nnoitra Jiruga - Envy
Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez - Wrath
Zommari Leroux - Pride
Szayel Aporro Granz - Extravagance
Aaroniero Arruruerie - Greed
Anyone else think along the same lines based on their personalities?
What is Hallibel lusting for? That one seems totally random to me. She was shown as a caring personality, who doesn't want to spill innocent blood. She's neither lusting for power nor for anything else but protecting her closest companions.
Zommari with Pride seems also not right to me. Even Lust would cover him more than Pride (Amore ability).
For the rest, well yeah Yammy's ability is to suck souls and build up reiatsu, might fit. As well as for Aaroniero, if not even more. Wrath would fits too, even Greed to some points.
Starrk with Acedia, yeah in prerelease he's pretty slothy, also while fighting he often asked himself why does he have to face those oponents. Despair could have work too,cuz he was desperate to find some comrades.
Barragan and Vainglory works well. Coulda been used for like everyone who underestimated his opponent and ended up dying through that, too (Aa,..huh, the only one, rly??)
Ulquiorra and Despair, that's also what Kubo was thinking, IIRC. Lust would fit at the end, when he.. omg.. 'the heart', you know.
Aahh. whatever, gonna stop here. Kinda find it's a random thought anyway, since Kubo commented that all himself anyway.
I guess I'll explain my reasoning for the others as well.
Yammy, you hit the nail on the head as to why I thought of him as gluttony. The first we see of him, he instantly assesses the quality of the area for consumption purposes and then proceeds to eat.
Starrk, from the get-go he's apathetic to everything around him. He doesn't care what happens to others or what they choose to do, as seen in his fight and his reaction to the death of his comrades.
Baraggan, basically he is extremely arrogant to the point that it's his destruction. His death was because he believed that he was beyond death, more precisely death by aging, and he is killed by his own ability. Hence, he has false pride.
Ulquiorra, he always looked as if he was crying or lamenting. And he always had a bleak tone, always referred to hopelessness in others and on the verge of death he showed that he was uncaring of his own death. I wouldn't classify him as a Starrk because he was always in movement and serving Aizen without a word of resentment or lack of interest.
Nnoitra, strived to grow because he didn't want to be classified as weak. He envied those stronger than him more than anyone else in the espada, which drove him to plot against Nelliel, didn't want to look weaker than a woman, and anyone else he could.
Grimmjow, always pissed off and always looking for a fight, lol.
Zommari, he was very proud in his own ability, speed and technique, and in his "god" Aizen. He was the only one that held Aizen as a "god", all the others used Aizen for power, friendship, or in fear/submission.
Granz, I guess he could of been a good candidate for vainglory, I thought that the way he dressed and how he acted could be interpreted as extravagant. Another hard one to really place in one category.
Aaroniero, another one that could be categorized as gluttony or greed, both can be interwoven, although I felt his greed for power is what drove him ultimately to gluttony.
So because Hallibel is female and looks -lustful- it fits her the most? That one is still bugging me a lot.
Also you interpreted Starrks action completely wrong it seems. He was the only Espada how commented the loss of Aaroniero without looking down on him and found it depressing how no body said something after Barragan's demise. Further more either Love or Rose figured that he's the type who fall into despair (or the likes) after the death of a companion.
Even though he was slothy, as you already said, carelessness is anyone but him.
Further more, I want to mention that Grimmjow's 'wrath' might also be interpreted as just rivalry (toward Ichigo). If you think of it closer you'll figure out that all of his rebelliously actions had something to do with Ichigo (heading off to KKT with his fraccions without premission, ignoring Aizen's instructions, getting rid of Loly and Menoly to free Orihime, the melee with Ulquiorra.. all things can be connected to Ichigo, which he said was only 'his prey'). It's not uncontrolled wrath and random aggression, like it'd be in Yammy's case (killing dozen humans by sucking their souls, killing a companion who doctored him, Rudobone, Loly, Menoly, etcetc).
Ya I agree with that, Starrk was looking for companions, which is why he joined up with Aizen, and why he commented on the death of Aaroniero. I do believe his personality is best described as apathetic, mainly because of how he acted before/during his battle. Despair does fit him as well, now that I look back at it, although I'd still stay Ulquiorra personified despair too a much greater extent.Quote:
Yammy's violence just stems from the fact that he has no respect for those weaker than him. He does not value life and his killing during the series seemed to be a bi-product of that. To me, he doesn't even seem angry during the Byakuya/Kenpachi fight, the very fact that he's saying that he's reached his anger threshold so calmly doesn't seem right to me. I'm not saying he hasn't but I wouldn't call what he's feeling worthy of the title of wrath, which is a more powerful emotion that fits Grimmjow better imo. Yes Grimmjow's rebellious actions are due to Ichigo, in fact, Ichigo's personality and eyes are what piss Grimmjow off most. No other character has shown so much blind hatred that could be comparable to Grimmjow, including Yammy's "cool" anger.Quote:
i was thinking about Grimmjow and his weird personality shift the other day.
before arrancarization, in his panther form, he was very quiet and stoic. now he's so brash and in-your-face. what's with the change?
Well, at first he had the goal to gain power by becoming a vastrolord menos. After Aizen gave him the power through arrancarization instead, he wanted to test it on battlefield. There was no longer the fear to regress to gillian level.
In Ichigo he might have seen an worthy (?) opponent/rival.. dunno. Dude got some issues, from every point of view.
Last edited by Evil3ye; August 25, 2010 at 12:22 PM.
grimmjow was quiet maybe his arrancarization built up a blood lust in him ..he wanted to be stronger then meets someone who Aizen wants to watch..he thinks he kills ichigo he be stronger than everyone.
as harribel i would say she more wrath..espically after death of faccion or just attacking her faccion...but not lust...
Yammy - Wrath (obviously, because of his Ressurrecion)
Starrk - Sloth (obviously)
Ulquiorra - Lust (obviously, because his fight's chapter titles were Lust, Pt 1, 2, 3 etc)
Nnoitra - Envy (he was always wishing to become stronger)
Zommari - Pride (Byakuya vs Zommari was basically a fight of pride)
Aaroniero - Gluttony (obviously, because of the same reason as Yammy)
Don't know about Greed, but maybe Szayelaporro for wanting to learn everything?
Although, to be fair, half of the Espada could all cover Pride, since they were such condescending a**hats. (2, 5, 7, 8)
Yammy Riyalgo - Gluttony
>Pretty much self explainitory.
Coyote Starrk - Sloth
>Starrk's sin is not just laziness it's depression he does not like to fight out of fear not his own of course but fear for his comrades lives which would leave him truely alone.
Baraggan Luisenbarn - Pride
>Baraggan is Pride pure and simple, his own zanpaktou is arrogance incarnate. He is not Vainglory though because his pride is justified with the only thing capable of killing him being his own power.
Tia Harribel - N/A
>As I see it Harribel doesn't have a real sin except maybe the mistake of following Aizen.
Ulquiorra Cifer - Melancholy
>Ulquiorra isn't despair really he is empty inside he has no emotions weither good or bad he's pretty much a hollow sell.
Nnoitra Jiruga - Envy
>Pretty obvious really.
Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez - Wrath
>Also pretty obvious except he isn't really a blind rage or unnessicarily angry just the want to destroy his opponets.
Zommari Leroux - Lust
>His amor lusting after control and power of the ones he faces.
Szayel Aporro Granz - Vainglory
>What got me here is his claims of perfection but this is an empty boast.
Aaroniero Arruruerie - Greed
So, how about a revision to mine.
Yammy = Wrath (Zanpaku'to is named Ira = Wrath)
Starrk = Sloth (Aspect of death is Sloth)
Ulquiorra = Pride (Kubo's street clothes design has Pride written on his shirt)
Nnoitra = Envy (Insatiable desire to better than the others)
Grimmjow = Greed (Needs to be the "King") (dunno about this one, though)
Szayelaporro = Lust (Zanpaku'to is named Fornicaras = To fornicate)
Aaroniero = Gluttony (Zanpaku'to is named Glotoneria = Gluttony)
Also, yeah, I forgot Starrk's aspect was Solitude. But, whatever, he's obviously Sloth so it doesn't really matter. And I only chose Ulquiorra as Pride, because it seems that's what Kubo's hinting at. Personally, I'd pick Zommari for Pride due to his whole attitude of arrogance towards Byakuya (who'se like Mr. Pride himself...)
Yeah I guess Szayelaporro could be lust I forgot a few of his abilities had to do with that but I thought Vainglory fit him better with all his boasting about being a perfect being but whatever.
Yeah Starrk is Sloth away so it doesn't matter but Ulquiorra isn't prideful all that much compared to the other Espada, he's more emptyness. I wouldn't call Zommari Pride though since Baraggan takes the cake on that one.