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That's my opinion, so it's your problem if you disagree so much.
Well in my eyes, the word rookie is used for pirates who enter the grandline for the first year... Ace wasn't concidered a rookie because he has been there for 3 years and was as apposed to Luffy only being there for 1 year.
As for the fighting againts Jimbei, you can't really compare at the current moment since Ace was completely healthy and fresh when he fought Jimbei. When luffy attacked Jimbei on the isle of women he was on the verge of deaths door basically which allowed Jimbei to counter luffy's punch.
But you all are having a conversation about how who a rookie or not but i don't see where this is even a problem, Ace wasn't a rookie anymore and luffy was, there no dought about that just by the way everyone was looking at the two of them.
This is my point rite now people, Ace knows that he has haki, he proved it in the war when Luffy blasts the battlefield he said "you too" proving that he is aware of his own. Once freed from his shackles, he should have recovered enough to use his own haki but didn't. His time on Whitebeards ship meant nothing to his growth. He was no longer a rookie at the war he should have shown more.
Of course a fire logia user will have some advantages against a fishmen, and as tret16 mentioned, a blind of rage, recovering Luffy attacking Jinbei isn't that good of a comparison. As said, not that much of a gap, but still it's still one that makes him much stronger, he was in full control of his powers. Everybody got to know him being the "second commander of Whitebeard", a man everybody on the earth knows, but it could be otherwise too, so let's stop. It's okay that you have your image of a rookie, I have mine. There are better topics to discuss. :]
Edit: Why are so many saying, that he should have known more about haki? I haven't seen a law stating that it's a need, only that most of the VA, those guys with decades of experience and time to actually learn, are able to use it to some degree. It may had taken Luffy many years to learn about haki and get good with it, if not for Rayleigh. I can't imagine Ace training months in solitary just to learn a special skill, if he's already his hands full with leading a section of a gigantic pirate crew.
Last edited by Schabrak; September 07, 2010 at 05:36 PM.
It's cool, people only say he should have known more because of where he was and who he's with. He was the second commander in whitebeards crew, so he had to see jozu and marco and vista fight and wonder to himself about how they do what they do. As the second he should have been better when it comes to haki.
ya, that's exactly the way i see it schabrak, by the way love the signatre pic... Sekirei all the way.
Anyone remember the timeskips we got in Dragonball? Goku and the others decides to split up and train for a few years. When they finally meet up again Goku has grown up and looks more like an adult. Oda is a big, big fan of Dragonball, so that's the kind of development I'm expecting.
It seems like using a timeskip like this is an easy way for the artists to "start over" and reinventing the characters to make them interesting again. No wonder Oda needs a few weeks in order to make it all work with all the characters and the huge world he built.
looking back, toriyama actually used several timeskips. There were 3 tournaments in the first part and in between 2 timeskips each of which was 3 years long. Then before radits appeared there was a 5 year timeskip and a 1 year timeskip thingy before vegeta got to earth. then there was the month before everyone got to namek, 3 years until goku returned to earth, 2 years worth of training in the hyperbolic time chamber, 7 years until majin buu and then the final took place around 5 years after majin buu died.... Anyone who was in some way or another inspired by toriyama must do a timeskip lol, it only makes sense.
Yeah, Dragonball sure got alot of timeskips. I was thinking of the one in like, Volume 15 or 16? Just before the third tournament just before it turned Dragonball "Z".
I'm sure this has been asked a lot but when should One Piece's break end? Like a rough date or week.
T___T The announcement's posted at the top of the page people. Read it.
9/27. We should be getting spoilers and such again before that.
Anyways, I've always assumed the rookies were just that. New faces that were beginning to make their way onto the main stage. But one of the major designations is that none of them have yet to experience the New World. We know that Whitebeard's main ship and alliances were from the New World, so it would stand to reason that Ace spent a significant amount of time there as well.
The problem with comparing Ace and Luffy, in terms of strength, is that Oda simply didn't give Ace enough in manga exposure. We've only had one all out battle to see him in. We know that he's famous but Oda didn't quite expand enough on how much of that infamy is his strength and how much is his position in the Whitebeard pirates. However, the fact that he was able to become commander means his strength is many times higher than the average pirate, even in the New World.
Last edited by Skyrius; September 15, 2010 at 12:55 AM.