Fastforward after the war and Madara is victorious... for the few minutes it takes before Sasuke and Kabuto both turn on him. A big ass battle ensues, but no clear victor is decided. All 3 flee before decaring "I'll get you next time!!"
Unfortunately, next time takes a LONG time as they all need to procure armies and new strengths.
Tenkage of the Village Hidden in the Heavens
Madara used his Rinnegan to combine a partially destroyed Gedo Mazo (only has 2 bijuu left in it) with a Chibaku Tensei, with his fortress in the center of it. All the ninja that follow him aswell as a few thousand Zetsu live with him ontop of his floating city, ready for battle at a moment's notice. Using DNA he had left over from his old Akatsuki members he splices them with Zetsu clones inorder to make new improved Zetsu for his army. He has 3000 fighters in his employ all together. 1000 being normal ninja of the average variety. 2000 being his super special Zetsu clones. Fortress can fire massive chakra canons at the ground to destroy ground enemies. These are S-rank in power. Madara has placed both bijuu within himself somehow: the 5 and 4 tails, giving him their abilities and boosts.
Red Zetsu: Deidara's DNA give them Bakuton chakra flowing through their veins. They can self detonate, causing explosions comperable to a C2. Lead by Deidara copy, with all the same abilities.
Blue Zetsu: Kisame's DNA give them the ability to breath under water. Also absorb chakra faster than usual, and can sense chakra. Lead by Kisame copy, with all the same abilities.
Green Zetsu: Can rip the hearts out of ninja and eat them, giving the Zetsu permanent use of that ninja's elemental affinity. Each can hold up to 5 hearts. Jutsu used are basic C rank projectile jutsu. Lead by Kakuzu copy.
Yellow Zetsu: Itachi's DNA let's these Zetsu see through Genjutsu, while they can also cast basic visual Genjutsu. Lead by Itachi copy.
Yamikage of the Village hidden in the Darkness
Sasuke survived the fight, but wasn't unscaved. He lost one of his eyes (no more Tsukuyomi... or Susanoo) but managed to wrestle away 3 bijuu while fused to Gedo Mazo for the Tsuki no Me. He re-recruited Juugo, Suigetsu, and Karin as generals in his army, and used his good standing with the prisoners he set free from Orochimaru's bases to recruit them as his army. What was once Otogakure is now Yamigakure, and that is now his base of operations.
Sasuke has 5000 ninja. 3000 are Curse Seal wielding ninja. 1000 have wings like Sasuke had. 1000 have chakra cannons for long ranged attacks. These canons have no elemental affinity, but hit with the force of say a B rank projectile attack. 1000 are brawlers with protective armor, foot thrusters for boosted speed, and axe blades on their forearms for melee combat. All of these Curse Seal ninja also have access to their own regular jutsu, taijutsu, and ninjutsu that would be found on the average ninja.
Sasuke himself has had the 6 tails bijuu placed inside of his body, the 1 tails into Juugo, and the 3 tails into Suigetsu. They have all gained the abilities said to be gained from said tailed beasts and have gained complete mastery of them. That means Juugo can become a big ass Tanuki, Sasuke a giant water slug... thing, and Suigetsu a giant turtle. They also get Version 2, huge chakra reserves, elemental affinities gained from their bijuu, and boosted physical capabilities.
Yamigakure itself has expert sensor ninjas placing a barrier around it to seek out introders aswell as Ho-oh, king of the Hawk summons and undying pheonix, flying around keeping watch. Ho-oh produces the heat of say, an S-rank katon, and can't die, so he can bombard opponents with his own body if need be, and his flames only harms those who he chooses to harm. His wingspan is so huge it can cover the entirety of Yamigakure in a defensive stance.
Yomikage of the village hidden in the Underworld
Kabuto was injured greatly aswell, and lost alot of his Edo Tensei during the war. With the return of Orochimaru from his body (just go with it) he's lost his snake abilities. Fortunately for him he also managed to procure 2 bijuu during the war and now has the 7 tails inside of him. Without Orochimaru's chakra and with all of his Edo Tensei's souls ripped away by the Gedo Mazo, this forces him to finish mastering his own reanimation technique, one that doesn't require souls. He does, but he ends up with the Naruto equivalent of Frankenstein's monster. His jutsu lets him place movement spell into a tag before placing the tag inside of a construct or body just the same, but they aren't immortal. They don't feel pain, and are under his complete control, and will continue to fight no matter what level of damage is done to them... but they can be outright obliterated.
He has 4000 ninja, and 4 generals, each with 1000 ninja in their group. These 1000 ninja are average ninja and samurai, but are all dead and have the durability and endurance that comes with that.
Deitachime: Itachi, Deidara, and Kisame combined. All the same jutsu in one body. No Samehada though. Itachi gets his weapons though.
Hidananzu: Hidan, Kakuzu, and Konan. All the same abilities.
Dankaiya: Danzo, Raikage (3rd), and Jiraiya smooshed into one ninja. Which I guess that means Shisui and the first hokage are in there too. No Kotoamatsukami.
Kabuto has also used a bunch of revived kugutsu no jutsu specialists, lead by Sasori, to build him a fortress capable of standing up against the giant floating Chibaku Tensei that Madara is floating on. It's called Seiryuu, and resembles a snake so big that could wrap around the whole of Konoha. Infact, it lies in sleep mode wrapped around the Iron Country which is Kabuto's base, which acts as a huge protective wall. Seiryuu is armed with C3 bombs that it can spit from it's mouth, chakra absorbing panels on it's metal scales to protect it from ninjutsu, a diamond tipped tail for high-speed attacks and drilling for burrowing underground, and protective armor plating strong enough to tank an S rank jutsu without being broken through.
Seiryuu can also split into 3 Manda-sized robo snakes when need be, and is powered by the 2 tailed beast procured by Kabuto, giving it blue flames and enhanced speed and power. He himself has all the strengths and abilities that would come from having the 7 tails... so let's say giant form, chakra shroud, boosted abilites.
So. The shadow of Ft. Chibaku Tensei is seen once again darkening the land, which lets Kabuto and Sasuke know Madara's coming, and the battle for the world is nigh. Who wins? Take everything into account. Sasuke has good infantry, but he's surrounded by land and can be gotten to easily. Kabuto's village has a perfect defense durability wise, protected by an impenetrable wall (almost) and Madara's fortress flies above ground where it can't be harmed by most attacks, but his infantry if someone actually gets up there sucks.
How does it go down? Who wins? I dunno, I was bored, so I decided I'd do something crazy.
First of all: HOLY SHIT, that's an epic scenario, kudos for having the imagination for this.
Now, the battle.
Kabuto wins against Sasuke without a doubt: Ho-oh ( seriously, brilliant idea) is quickly defeated with the Totsuka sword, and since Sasuke doesn't have Susano'o, he'll be raped either by trillions of exploding tags while Dankaya solo's his entire army and defeat Juugo, Sasuke and Suigetsu thanks to his absurd power: Raiakage's already excellent speed and strenght added by Mokuton (that increases vitality) and sage mode give Raikage the ability to destroy 3 bijuu at once without much difficulty.
Likewise, Madara's fortress and all it's armies can be destroyed with trillions of paper bombs and C3's, but Madara himself is the problem: his Bijuu mean he can't be put on a frog song genjutsu, and with intangibility, and Rin'negan jutsu he would be Very hard to put down.
The Totsuka sword could be a means of catching him even if he's intangible, but that's a 50-50 chance of happening, which allied to the fact his fortress is destroyed, make me give the victory to Kabuto.
First of all, thank you. Second of all, you think so? I was of the opinion that the Yamikage's army was overpowered. He has a phoenix the size of a damn village, lol, and it can't die. Sealing it away is fine, but while Deitaichime's absorbing a summon that's the size of a whole village he's obviously immobile for a long time. Then there's the fact that Suigetsu, now having bijuu chakra, can jump inside any aquatic areas that lead up to Yomigakure until he's a water monster so huge it's even bigger than Seiryuu, where he can destroy his army just from washing over them. And Sasuke's bijuu gives him Suiton so he can strengthen Suigetsu's giant from by adding water. The 3 tails is water oriented aswell.
Ho-oh divebombing into Yomigakure would also have been the equivelent of dropping a flaming village ontop of another village. The damage would be done before Itachi actually managed to absorb the full bird.
As for Madara, he could absorb Ho-oh with his Hungry Ghost power, but if Sasuke just rides the bird (it only burns those Sasuke wishes it to) then Sasuke and Juugo can land on the fortress, fire Bijuudama everywhere until Madara is stuck trying to absorb Bijuudama blasts from each side, leaving Ho-oh time to divebomb the Chibaku Tensei of it's own accord.
But of course, this is all assuming Madara's death star doesn't start dropping S rank chakra blasts on top the village from the safety of the clouds.
This battle is awesome beyond comprehension...and this will take some time for me to analyze before I come up with a suitable explanation. But for now I will lean towards Sasuke because of his army and generals. He is rather balanced. Kabuto seems to need to rely on his generals and Madara's generals are not upgraded to a point where they could match the others. But I'll see when I analyze it more.
I agree that this is an epic scenario, and am hard-pressed to tell who would win. I must say that Marada - without any generals of particular note - seems like the most fodder-ish choice, but both Kabuto and Sasuke have generals that could decimate. Sug could solo all of Madara's armies, by Bijuudama'ing the blue clones and just sitting in water for the rest. Deitachime could easily beat him, though. However, neither of the other two generals could beat him - not with the power of a Bijuu and the water strength... although Dankaiya could do some damage. Ho-oh is useless vs Seiryuu, so it'll be down to the generals and fodder. Deitachime can beat all of Sasuke's generals, but without Samehada sasuke can handle him. With Samehada I must say that he would Solo, though... Sasuke appears and defeats Deitachime - leading from the front, of course - then Sug and Juugo between them handle the other generals. The curse seals mean that Sasuke's fodder would beat Kabuto's fodder, and then it would essentially be Sasuke, Juugo, Sugietsu (all full strength thanks to Karin) vs Kabuto on his own. Even with the 7-tails, Sasuke's superior base strength matched with the 6-tails, Sug + 3-tails and Juugo + 1tails could handle him. After which Madara appears, and gets his base one-shotted by 3 Bijuudamas xD
Yeah. I decided Madara having the Rinnegan made him strong enough, as he could fire those soul dragons out from the Gedo Mazo Tensei fortress at Sasuke's soldiers and oneshot most of them because their souls would all be ripped out (but it'd take time since he's flying in the clouds, which gives Ho-oh time to mount an offensive). But, they wouldn't work on ANY of Kabuto's soldiers because they're reanimated dead bodies that don't have souls in them. He'd have to rely on the chakra canons from his Chibaku Tensei.
If Ho-oh is pierced by the sword of Totsuka, he shouldn't be able to move, just be helplessly sucked like Orochimaru, not to mention it immediatly traps the target in a genjutsu, as evidenced by Nagato, who was broke free of Edo Tensei as sson as he was pierced by the sword.
And while Suigetsu would become a gigantic water Hulk, Dankaya would kick his ass, seriously, 3rd Raikage's speed was at A's Raiton lvl 1, and if you add sage mode, and Hashirama's cells in the mix, he'll be just as fast if not faster than A and Naruto while having the increased threat perception and even greater strength and Izanagi to boot: he should be able to solo Sasuke, Suigetsu and Juugo and Yamigake's armies when Ho-oh is done.
Thanks to Hidan's immortality Hidananzu gains unlimited chakra (since chakra = stamina and since Hidan can't die out of chakra exhaustion), so itcan make as much paper explosions as she wants: enough to bomb Tengake out of the sky.
Last edited by hakuthehedgehog; October 01, 2011 at 08:39 AM.
Too much information... You're asking us for the outcome? I believe the best would be for you to continue this story which is completely yours, and post it here step by step so we can all enjoy it. You've done more than enough for the beginning already, let's see it come alive!
Or if you would like and if everybody agrees we could all contribute to this and make it a solid piece of work. A lot went through my mind just now, like having each week a discussion about the next chapter, how we would like it to continue, maybe adding a poll afterwards and adding the finished chapter at the end of the week. This has probably never been done in these forums... Ninjabot, you could start by forming these primordial ideas into 1 or 2 (or 3) chapters.
P.S. All hail Nanamine-kun.
Originally Posted by hakuthehedgehog
Stabbing Ho-oh places in a Genjutsu, but the actual absorbtion doesn't happen instantaneously. It took a few moments just to absorb Orochimaru's Hydra, which was only a bit bigger than something like Gamabunta. Ho-oh however is the size of an entire village nearly. It would take several minutes to absorb something that large. Not to mention it can fly. That Totsuka sword aiming would have to be PERFECT if it wants to hit a flying target, and having multiple Bijuudama fired at him while he attempts to hit it doesn't help his chances.
As for Dankaiya, Suigetsu turning into a village sized water monster makes him so big that Raiton likely wouldn't do much to him, and Sasuke's Amaterasu will be super-charged with bijuu chakra. He can make a Kagutsuchi so large it covers the whole battlefield nearly. Any type of super speed wouldn't matter as literally everywhere he steps he'd burn alive, forcing himself to have to waste an eye using Izanagi. And while Susanoo is no longer possible, Sasuke's chakra shroud, coated in Amaterasu, protects him from melee attacks aswell. You know, provided he doesn't just ride around on a hawk instead of taking the fight to Dankaiya directly.
As for the story idea... I dunno. I don't think this is the area where we do that. This is the arena part of the forum. If there's a fanart or fanfiction part in the forum that's likely where it'd go. I just wanna see what everyone else thinks about the actual fights and how they could potentially go down. Remember: for whatever strategy you think would work against one army, there's another army nearby that could screw it up or take advantage. While Ho-oh's being absorbed by Deitachime, Madara could be dropping S-rank chakra blasts all over Yomigakure. While Yamigakure is fighting Yomigakure, Madara's ghost dragons can swoop down and devoure the souls of Sasuke's army from behind (well, above rather).
Last edited by ninjabot; October 01, 2011 at 04:14 PM.
I have a question: is Tobi a perfect jinchuriki like Suigetsu, Kabuto, Sasuke and Juugo?
Yeah. Assume that everyone with a tailed beast is a perfect one. Let's go ahead and say after their battle they waited a month or two or more. However long it took for each to master their control.
nice fight,kabuto wins: the sageraikage owns everyone,and without tsukuyomi and susanoo sasuke isn't so strong.
You think so? Even gaining access to the 6 tailed bijuu and becoming a jinchuuriki you still think he lacks the muscle necessary to tank a few blows? He can turn into a giant aquatic slug, lol. He can survive attacks that Susanoo would never survive, because he's mallable and squishy (look at how Katsuyu survived that Chou Shinra Tensei).
I think this gives him greater defensive power IMO. And can you imagine a perfect Jinchuuriki with a sharingan aswell, blitzing people with a chakra shroud the way Killerbee does? He shouldn't be getting hit by ANYONE, lmao.
And for offense, considering what a meager rasengan is turned to with some Natural energy, Dankaya's one finger kumite will probably turn into a 3 meter lightsaber.
Originally Posted by hakuthehedgehog
You sure about Sage Mode being accessed that easily? Because he's using Jiraiya's body parts to access Sage Mode, it'll take him just as long as it did to do it against Pein, meaning Sasuke's still capable of burning him to cinders while he's trying to remain immobile (remember, Jiraiya had to stand on a toad to make up for his inability to move while gathering natural energy). If it were Naruto's parts he could do it in seconds AND while moving, but that's not the case.
Well, that's only if he gets that far. The same can be attributed to Sasuke's Amaterasu and Enton. He can use them far more now that he has Bijuu chakra, aswell as strengthen his regular jutsu beyond his usual limits. His Chidori would be stronger than a Raikiri if he went Version 2 and pulled one off thanks to the added speed from his chakra shroud aswell as the extra amount of chakra pumped into it.Originally Posted by hakuthehedgehog
Hm. How do you get a poll for these things? Once I get an actual winner in the thread I'll make a follow-up. I was gonna do Sousuke Uchiha vs. Naota Uzumaki, but I think that one'd be alittle too tough, as I'd have to make up all of their jutsu from the get-go.
Last edited by ninjabot; October 24, 2011 at 03:25 PM.