Madara probably referred to his then-current state when he said only Hashirama was capable of stopping him. He fought Hashirama many times and knew of his power more than anyone else. It'll be pretty bold if I said Hashirama would be able to defeat Madara with Rinnegan. However, he'd most likely force Madara into using his Rinnegan abilities. Because he had the power to withstand the Perfect Susano'o.
Moreover, since the Mokuton Madara is using is an ability created from Hashirama's cells, I'm almost certainly positive that Madara's Mokuton is inferior to that of Hashirama's. Just like Kakashi's Sharingan, Yamato's Mokuton, Nagato's Rinnegan proved us, an unnaturally gained ability cannot stand up to its master's prowess.
That's why Hashirama would still be the only one that could possibly stand up to Madara even by today's standards, or, to say the very least, ihe would be the dead last person Madara would want to face off (also, in a way, the first person, since he really wanted to defeat him, out of admiration and hatred, explained by himself).
Even by itself, Dan's statement has way more weight than Iruka's, since Iruka was only a noob Chuunin who saw Hiruzen only as an old man.
And again, that was Part 1, this is Part 2
This argument is meaningless. Sarutobi is as powerful as Kishi decides he is. During Part 1, it was obvious from the fact that Sarutobi had to face off against both Shodaime and Niidaime that Kishi intended for his title of 'God of Shinobi' to hold some meaning. In Part 2, we saw that what Sarutobi showed was short of being a joke compared to the heavyweights out there, even individuals from his own generation. Bloodlines and monsters make ninjas in Part 2, and Sarutobi is clearly lacking in that department. Kishi gave Sarutobi legend status, but the manga, and the world, moved forward and Sarutobi was left stagnant. This argument comes down to the inconsistencies of Kishi's storytelling. Sarutobi's battle against Sho and Nii was meant to be epic, but as the manga grew the scope of techniques followed. Now any jounin with half decent talent is pulling off techniques that match those of Sarutobi. Maybe some day Kishi is going to give us a decent flahback of Sandaime in action so that he catches up, but at the moment we are left with Sarutobi looking like nothing more than a relic during his battle. What has happened with Sarutobi is the same that has happened with others as the manga moved on. Zabuza was supposedly some dangerous jounin, but any of the rookies could probably stomp him at this point. Unfortunately for Sarutobi and Zabuza, and others that died early on, they missed out on the overpowered battles of the current Naruto.
For the last time Sarutobi did NOT had to fight Hashirama and Tobirama... He had to fight 2 brain dead retards using mostly taijutsu and kunai's. Curently Naruto needed and army of himself + huge rasengan + Kurama infusion to stop even 1 wave of Mokuton roots coming his way. How about polen? Dragon? How about TACTICS? Nothing like that existed. Why the bloody hell would you trow that genjutsu at Sarutobi go in with Kunai's? He could summon a bloody forest and crust Sarutobi easy... Again brain DEAD Hokages.
But i do agree with the rest.
Only reason why HIruzen and Anko mentioned Minato is because of Hiruzen's old age rendering him unable to beat Orochimaru, whereas Minato would have had a better chance. If HIruzen was younger, then he wouldn't have mentioned Minato. Besides, I don't think HIruzen or Minato could kill White Snake Orochimaru, not without sacrificing themselves anyway.
What Kishi says in an interview is meaningless, because he can write the opposite without breaking continuity.
Anyway, I don't think it's fair to judge HIruzen's strength. I'm sure if we saw him in action now during his prime, he'd be shown much stronger and better, able to rival most kage. At least, Kishi hopefully writes it that way to keep up with statements in Part I. It's like, in Part II all hokage but Hashirama and Minato were forgotten. Minato's only been mentioned for his speed, while Hashirama's been mentioned for his power and everything.
He said only Hashirama is capable of stopping him. Not "Even now that I'm a fucking immortal with access to the Rinnegan Hashirama is the only person capable fo stopping me."Originally Posted by Kay3795
@marshall313: You're lying again. This is what you said:
First you said that Madara said that only Hashirama can stop him NOW. Which was wrong. Then I said prove it, and you showed TWO scans where Madara doesn't even mention Hashirama. THEN when I called you on it, you said "No, I said Kabuto said it!" to try to downplay being caught. And unsurprisingly that was a lie aswell. The closest thing to what you're trying to say was posted by Kay3795, and he was just as wrong as you were.Originally Posted by marshall313
So drop it.
Then again, it's not the same as he would stop Madara right there, I agree.
Kay, I had enough...
Stop right there. You always bring Minato in everything. What does Minato has to do with this? NOTHING. But then again, like I said, you bring Minato in every discussion even he has no place in it. Especially when Uchihas are concerned. Face it, Minato is dead and is not playing any relevance in this story any more.Quote:
With this said, moving on.
OK, nobody in this thread said anything remotely close to this. You pulled it outta your ass, just like the "Hashirama stomped Madara like a fodder!!!" bit. But to answer the question, yes, you would've lost credibility if you said that. But it wouldn't even be CLOSE to saying that Hashirama has beaten Madara like a fodder, when they had NUMEROUS fights and Madara was still alive and kicking while Hashirama died. What does that mean?Quote:
WE DON'T HAVE A CLUE how the fight really went. So drop your act.
Biased argument is everything you post. Biased towards Minato.Quote:
Durr. He was fighting a VILLAGE. And Hashirama was known to own a lot of Bijuu as well. Hurr.Quote:
Show me a scan of this. Haha, good luck.Quote:
What do you mean...hiding? Outliving Hashirama is now considered to be hiding to you?Quote:
See, there we go again. You lost the credibility you don't even posses anymore. Why do I even bother typing this to you then?...Quote:
Are you serious? He said THESE lines "He (hashirama) was the person I hated, and the person I admired". I actually have SCAN to prove this. You, and your "theories", do not.Quote:
You're wrong. All there is.Quote:
That this and it. You specifically kept going at it again, just look at the quote for "bitchslapping" before.Quote:
You mean Minato? Killing Madara instantly? !!!111Quote:
Yes. Good bye. Minato has no place in this discussion.Quote:
That makes me wonder why Hiruzen was shown to be the only one effected by aging. Hanzou was also weakened over time for all we know, but it was not due to age. It was because him getting rusty after losing his will to fight for his ideals.
You are right. He was forced to come out of retirement, after all.