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Yhwach was born with the innate ability to distribute his soul and fill the void within the soul of other individuals. The individuals will have their power increased, but that piece of soul may return to Yhwach. The process is lethal to these individuals, and their innate or learned talents are absorbed by Yhwach.
"The sealed king of the Quincies will regain his pulse after 900 years..."
With his eyes open, Yhwach can see the future?
"...regain his intellect after 90 years..."
With two irises on his eyes, Yhwach is capable of not just seeing the future, but understanding what he sees. With this, Yhwach can render his opponents power useless.
This was used against Ichibei to neutralize his Bankai special ability. Yhwach's name returned to what it was before.
"...and regain his power after 9 years."
With three irises, Yhwach does not just understand his opponent's power, but can make it his own.
Yhwach used the black that Ichibei consumed to make his body explode from the inside.
Last edited by Fox666; January 12, 2015 at 09:10 AM.
Nice start but what about the rest of his powers?
Ok thanks for this thread tying Ywach powers together to help some of us who are lost understand better...
I'll be abrupt and be the first to say I don't like Ywach character design it's retarded...
As you Mentioned, Ywach pupil allows him to see the future, understand what he sees, and apperently make that power his own..
Seriously to all Bleach fans and manga fans alike...If you can see the future and understand what you see, through extra pupil power or whatever...How The Hell do you make somebody's powers yours with your eyes?!? Like WTF does Kubo be thinking? Does Ywach have A fricking Sharingan??
BS like this make me upset when I read Bleach cause it make me upset for it lack of coherent explanations.,.Exqctly how does Ywach counter ppl?? Magically Blitzing & overpowering them?? How does he make his opponent powers his?? Because he says so and magically uses his opponenets power against him?? Bleach Fighting mechanics or laws are broken
Bleach is a fictional story, so, I have no idea why we should expect an explanation to the mechanics of a purely supernatural abilty. This complaint would encompass the entirety of Bleach, thus, you should simply not read Bleach at all, if you are expecting realistic explanations to be given.
Back to topic, with making a power his own theme considered, maybe the Bankai stealing medallions were devices that were put together via fragments of his soul. Now, that'd be an interesting tweak. And we already know that medallions did not apply to hollowfied souls. So, that'd leave Bach vulnerable against Ichigo, were they to fight one on one.
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Bleach's fight mechanics and laws aren't broken in this instance. Kubo can get away with this solely because he has revealed next to nothing about Ywach and what he can do. A lack of coherent explanations can be a fault in the series, but, in this case, there is a reason. Whether or not you like the reason is another thing entirely. Bleach is all about the Rule of Cool anyhow, so logic isn't a necessity in fights.
How can an action manga not have certain mechanics to built their foundation on to set it own unique universe? Kubo keeps breaking or conveniently ignores Bleach previous Set rules or laws.....The only real law is bleach is More is better or more is mightier...Then he breaks from this goes to technical powers Kidou,Rule zone Shikia/bankai to yet again revert back to more reitasu the merrier.
I'm not insulting your or anyone else's intelligence. Though, if I may speak my mind here, I'm not the type of person who finds pride in reading stories and going through elaborate criticisms in the first place.
I can't really agree with BS part, since your initial argument is restricted to calling stuff BS without an explanation on your part. Since Kubo isn't obliged to explain matters in his own story and you think of this approach as BS, surely you must have already come up with elaborate assessments about the topic at hand.
You don't pride yourself in reading stories thats Kool never do I. However I have pride in my Intellegence and I can analyze any genre of literature and crtique it without Bias. Bleach is a work of literature and like all literature that gains popularity or a strong following it will be critiqued and judge to say just how good it really is it...or was
So if you can't see fault In inconsistency or Major PIS Thats up to you to Like an favor foolish stories...I'll always hold Authors to a standard give them credit when it's due and critique their writing when I feel like they discredited themselves.
Bleach I love it but Like Naruto its ending on a weak and non sensible note.
Well, elemental based stuff is surely way easier to explain. If we tie your post to the topic at hand, Bach's ability is completely out of such boundaries. To know the fundamental and full extent of his powers, we would need a much more detailed background story for Bach, unlike the one single chapter that talked about how he was born, revered and came to gain senses throughout his lifespan, before distributing his own soul.
That was, actually, a part that I wasn't particularly happy about, but it was more about the character base, rather than the abilities or whatnot, and my opinion remains unchanged.
Now, returning completely to the topic would be good. I think Bach's ability is possibly related to how he can control the Blut for his fellow Quincy. It's not simply distributing a fragment of his soul anymore. There is a chance that he can mess up with someone's body that way. Similar to Askin's power, but way more intricate, and that'd actually allow him to blow up Ichibei out of blue.
Maybe "understanding" someone's power is simply backtracking the flow of reiatsu while the technique is used, just to map the person's body and "alter" the flow altogether, as he can do with the Quincy.
A rather far-fetched look, but currently, anything and everything sounds plausible enough for me to put out.
You are trying to logically explain how it's possible to have an ability that's based on conditions. Yhwach ability is akin to Kyoraku, Gremmy or Askin. They have crazy abilities that don't follow any law except their own.
That's Togashi influence I guess. Kubo took many elementos from Yu Yu Hakusho.
Last edited by Fox666; January 11, 2015 at 05:12 AM.
When it comes to Bleach's mechanics and laws, the thing is the Quincy have been shown to have a lot more to them than was implied with their introduction. At first they were a bunch of humans who could compress reishi into bows and arrows, now we see they're a race somehow descended from some kind of vampire-like demigod who can do things like summon meteorites out of thin air and create an entire dimension inside shadows. My point is that Yhwach can have ridiculous powers because he's not like any other being we've seen in the manga so far.
Last edited by NoOneInParticular; January 12, 2015 at 08:25 AM.
Virtually no manga presents a realistic explanation at the mechanics of how their powers work. Its not really possible IMO either and the situation of powers is fundamentally supernatural. In naruto chakra is a combination of spiritual and physical energy. Its an explanation but not only it does not make sense but it rather makes brings up more questions. HXH does not explain that either, nen is simply energy the users have. The author does reserve kudos for explaining how to train for it with such detail although at the core it is not significantly different from the naruto situation. Bleach works that way too, reiatsu is simply power the users have. Zampakuto exist within the user for whatever reason and are brought forth by asauchi. Nanatsu no taizai is basically the same as bleach as far as I can tell safe for some minor differences.
The issue with juhabach's ability should not be the science behind it but rather its scope, capacity and limitations which so far remain incredibly ambigous as it seems juhabach has simply too many innate powers. Spreading his soul and the affiliated abilties, stealing powers, seeing the future and ambiguous immunity to attacks... Its too much.
I completely disagree with the idea that Yhwach's 3rd pupil "absorbes/acquires" his opponents powers. When Ichibe was explaining the technique he was using with his bankai he stated that it was creating an eternal prison of darkness. After which point the black building was constructed, Yhwach clenched his fist and Ichibe exploded and the ink building disappeared -- probably because all that was left of him was his head and feet.
Also, when his powers are being described at the beginning he uses auswahlen to redistribute/absorb the power that he has effectively given to the quincies, nabbing a little bit for himself too. Due to the fact that quincies and shinigami are the equivalent of black and white -- how could he be just taking powers of shinigami on a whim? One can only assume that their extremely shortlived "bankai theif" technique was some time in the making and then Urahara just nullified it in the "poof - done" kind of sense, conveniently right after Yamamoto died...
Tangent-wise, Yhwach impaled the Soul King -- according to Ichibe everything should be gone now, right? Then if you digress a little bit where Ukitake initiates Kamikane and Kyoraku goes to the central 46 -- what's going on there? AIZEN! We very firmly know that Aizen hates the Soul King, but Yhwach offered Aizen a position in his ranks to ultimately kill the Soul King and Aizen didn't even give him the time of day, suggesting that Aizen hates the quincies a lot more than he hates the Soul King.
I don't think Yhwach's eyes have power that supersedes Kyoka Suigetsu and that Yhwach is currently under the influence of Kyoka Suigetsu -- maybe. The side I am almost entirely sure about is that Kyoraku is going to get Aizen and let him free to join the fight. We already know that Ichigo and Ukitake have the power to take him down again so he's not really a threat to the Shinigami anymore. In my opinion that kind of makes sense... Thoughts?
Well, there are certainly many aspects to juhabach's ability. One is the seeing the future. As far as absorbing power goes he attempted that on ichibei.
And it seems like now that his ability is awake he can do even more than that. Maybe he does have some extent of reality warping power as only knowing the future should not be quite enough to do what he did against ichibei. We need more explanations. And just knowing the future should not explain his selection or ability to spread his soul.
I don't see how KS could work on Yhwach, simply because seeing the future would enable him to foresee the moment the illusion ends before it happens, so he'd already be aware that what he's seeing isn't real.
Something I've been wondering is how his foresight works. Does he see things exactly as they'll happen, or is it that he can see what'll happen and then act to change things in his favour. e.g. If he sees himself being hit with an attack can he then prevent it from happening, or is the future set and he has no control over it? I guess it's not something anyone can answer yet, but I'm curious. Because if the SK has the same ability, it evidently didn't help him save himself (although he's not dead yet so we'll have to see how that turns out).
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