Well since shikai Ichigo feats in the other thread mentioned to suggest shikai Hitsugaya's capabilities - I thought how do they compare directly to each other...? In other words - A fight!
Note: This is POST-BANKAI TRAINING Shikai Ichigo
Location: Sōkyoku Hill
Starting distance: 20 meters
Restrictions: Bankai, Mask
Feats/Capabilities: SS Arc
State of mind: Ichigo - Completely Resolved Hitsugaya - Bloodlusted
Last edited by Waking_Dreamer; October 19, 2010 at 06:58 PM.
Cant say much . Is this the Ichigo b4 Arracnar Arc or after it??
B4 , i say Ichi wins relative difficulty , but if its after , Hitsugaya wins with relative ease
Its a shame the Arracnar Arc nerfed both their shikais...hopefully when Ichigo gets his powers back and Hitsugaya gets more training we'll see their shikai's kicking ass again.
I have to lean towards hitsugaya here. The effect of his shikai can affect ichigo even after the actual attack as it did gin. Every time ichigo gets wet he will have trouble and tenso jurin is no joke.
If it was Ichigo after he mastered his bankai, I would think shikai Ichigo would win. After the Dangai training Ichigo seemed like he was in complete control of his reiastu.
Ichigo has 2x captain level reiastu, so if he can completely control it, he should be able to barehand Hitsugaya's blade and tank most of his attacks, like Aizen and Yama would.
Still I would give it to Ichigo. Ichigo's speed was enough to blitz Byakuya multiple times, even though Byakuya is a speed demon. Byakuya also had a million petals to keep Ichigo from getting to him.
Hitsugaya would have hard time beating Ichigo.
I think hes talking about shikai Ichigo here.
This is actually a decent match up I never thought about.
In the SS Arc Ichigo's GT is pretty beastly, especially for anyone without bankai access. I think Ichigo would be physically stronger, but not so much so that he would manhandle Hitsugaya in close range. The longer the match keeps going the greater the attacks and advantage goes to Hitsugaya.
While a prolonged match with Ichigo will leave the landscape scarred with deep rifts in the earth, Hitsugaya would eventually create large glaciers, and the more moisture in the atmosphere the stronger his attacks will be...
I just posted about how shikai Ichigo would do and I already forgot it was his shikai he was fighting with it. I think Hitsugaya would win, if Ichigo's hollow didn't come out. It seems like Hitsugaya uses better tactics when he fights and he does have Tenso Jurin.
Hitsugaya is sort of reckless, like Aizen pointed out, so he may leave himself open at times. Also, if Ichigo hollow came out he probably would just overpower Hitsugaya.
Also worth noting, with tenso jurin hitsugaya does not need for the place where he is fighting to get humid enough. Tenso jurin basically allows him to control the humidity of the place he is at and throw his best attacks at will without restrictions. In that sense, techniques like the one he used against harribel would not be out of question. The scale would definitely be more limited to to him being in shikai though.
There is something I have been wondering about. Is hitsugaya's ice different when he activates tenso jurin? If I recall, when he fought gin the ice he used not only did not really break but also it seemed to grow to cover the target. Something similar was seen in hitsugaya's ice flowers when he used them against harribel (they did not melt and expanded to cover her body). I just get the impression that when hitsugaya uses tenso jurin the strength of his ice and its properties change considerably.
Last edited by kkck; October 19, 2010 at 12:51 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
If you consider that his TJ shikai Ice dragon was similar if not bigger than his bankai Ice dragon, even though he should be out-putting 1/10 -1/5 the power in his shikai.
As for comparable feats:
Last edited by Waking_Dreamer; October 19, 2010 at 06:22 PM.
Toushirou takes this easily. Back in SS Shikai Ichigo was more or less around the level of Renji. In fact, Renji would have defeated Ichigo if it wasn't for the mask popping up inside his kimono.
Check the links I posted about Ichigo. Thats the type of Ichigo Hitsugaya would be the facing...
True but he did make short work of 3 VCs and matched byakuya's speed. I would think shikai ichigo at that point was at around regular bankai ichigo in HM. I know it sounds absurd but considering ichigo barely reached grimmjows speed with bankai I don't think it is that far out.