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    Zoro and Sanji, Sanji fell behind?

    Okay so now we know for sure Zoro has haki, and is quite capable... or so he says, "Nothing I cannot cut."

    Which begs the question, is sanji equally powerful now? Is there nothing he cannot shatter or is he as weak as he has been shown? Being defeated by vergo and Doffy effortlessly?

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    Re: Zoro and Sanji, Sanji fell behind?

    I honestly don't know what we've seen recently that provides any great insight. They're both haki users, we knew that. And Zoro can cut things. Exactly how good either of them isn't something we've gotten much chance to see.

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    Re: Zoro and Sanji, Sanji fell behind?

    There isn't much to debate on. Both have haki (CoO and CoA). We were already told that back in PH. As for sanji, he hasn't exactly shown much in the little we've seen of him but its too early to judge now.
    His fight with vergo was uncompleted and DD's strings are pretty resilient. He was able to hold Jozu who is diamond. Sanji will get his chance, until then, we'll just have to wait and see. He does diable jambe effortlessly now so there's bound to be some ultimate technique (like the one Zoro just showed) in his repertoire. I doubt he'll fall behind though.

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    Re: Zoro and Sanji, Sanji fell behind?

    No. Sanji faced more dangerous foes.

    Zoro vs Monet: Monet was no match for the monster trio.
    Sanji vs Vergo: Vergo defeated Smoker, and Doflamingo believed he could also defeat Law.
    Zoro vs Fujitora: Fujitora was not serious against Zoro. Apparently he wasn't against Sabo either. And he already revealed he has no intentions of stopping the Strawhats in this arc.
    Sanji vs Doflamingo: Doflamingo already won against Luffy and Law.
    Zoro vs Pica: The other elite officers are not as powerfull as Vergo. Trebol was scared of Law, and he barely could help Doflamingo against him or Luffy.

    I don't find it hard to imagine Sanji taking down Pica like Zoro did. He is not far different from Wadatsumi.
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    Re: Zoro and Sanji, Sanji fell behind?

    Quote Originally Posted by amidaru312 View Post
    Okay so now we know for sure Zoro has haki, and is quite capable... or so he says, "Nothing I cannot cut."

    Which begs the question, is sanji equally powerful now? Is there nothing he cannot shatter or is he as weak as he has been shown? Being defeated by vergo and Doffy effortlessly?
    Sanji was not defeated by Vergo, and Doflamingo is questionable. Despite the showing, I have no reason to believe Sanji is weak. Against Doflamingo he was fighting an unknown who actually hurt Luffy few times. Doflamingo is the main boss, Sanji having an easy time with him would mean Doflamingo isn't worthy of being a captain. Vergo vs. Sanji is incomplete, and Sanji never conceded loss, he just had to get away because there were more important stuff to do.

    So yeah, for now it's not clear where Sanji is.

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    Re: Zoro and Sanji, Sanji fell behind?

    Sanji broke his leg against Vergo. That kinda of settles it for him.
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    Re: Zoro and Sanji, Sanji fell behind?

    T'was a fracture, not a break. His leg was fine enough for him to continue fighting Vergo on equal grounds until they both fled the gas. Nothing was settled between the two. While it was implied that things could have gotten bad for Sanji, we know he probably has quite a few techniques he's yet to reveal which could have probably turned the tide.

    But yeah, for the most part, Sanji hasn't been given a lot of moments that allow him to show off like Luffy and Zoro. His feats have him going up against opponents who are known to be strong and he's been used to mostly hype them up. Frankly, it's pissing me off.
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    Re: Zoro and Sanji, Sanji fell behind?

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Sanji was not defeated by Vergo, and Doflamingo is questionable. Despite the showing, I have no reason to believe Sanji is weak. Against Doflamingo he was fighting an unknown who actually hurt Luffy few times. Doflamingo is the main boss, Sanji having an easy time with him would mean Doflamingo isn't worthy of being a captain. Vergo vs. Sanji is incomplete, and Sanji never conceded loss, he just had to get away because there were more important stuff to do.

    So yeah, for now it's not clear where Sanji is.
    Zoro sliced and diced up an enemy as big as huge mountain, whose palm of hes hand, was as big as a entire city.
    Not just that, he did it all in mid air, forced pika main body to come out, and pika went full body haki, just like vergo.
    And he just got killed in 1 hit.
    Pika was far more powerfull then vergo due hes ability.
    If zoro had encountered vergo in punk hazard, vergo would have been killed instandly due zoro being the worst possible match up for him.
    Unless vergo was smart and used moonwalk to run away with hes life.

    Zoro and Luffy are the top fighters in straw hat crew, theres no more ''monster'' trio.
    Sure sanji is strong, but he cant compare to luffy and zoro.
    He should stay in the kitchen and make sandwiches for the crew.

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    Re: Zoro and Sanji, Sanji fell behind?

    Zoro is a swordsman and he has been using long range slashes even before the timeskip. CoA also isn't sanji's specialty. Zoro was perfect for pica. Luffy and Sanji aren't as suited to fight pica. Still too early to jump to conclusions and there's no reason for the monster trio to no longer exist. When sanji and Zoro took down the pacifista, their techniques were equal.

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    Green Grin Re: Zoro and Sanji, Sanji fell behind?

    It is still too early to comment on Sanji since he hasn't been seen for quite a while now. His turn to shine will come. We just need to wait patiently. Till then, we will be able to see how far and extensive his ability has gone after the time-skip.



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    Re: Zoro and Sanji, Sanji fell behind?

    Well, it does look that way to an extent but to be fair its probable we have yet to see the full strength of either one. Zoro has yet to use his 9 sword style. As far as sanji goes it depends on whether he has some new ultimate technique or something. He has been rather liberal with his diable jambe which could suggest he has some other move. If he does then he wouldn't appear to be significantly behind zoro. If he lacks something like that then I would argue he would be lagging behind more than expected. Although to be fair when he fought vergo he had taken a severe beating from when nami used his body.

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    Re: Zoro and Sanji, Sanji fell behind?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fox666 View Post
    Sanji broke his leg against Vergo. That kinda of settles it for him.
    It does not as Sanji could still move and run as if he never fought Vergo.
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    Zoro sliced and diced up an enemy as big as huge mountain, whose palm of hes hand, was as big as a entire city.
    Not just that, he did it all in mid air, forced pika main body to come out, and pika went full body haki, just like vergo.
    And he just got killed in 1 hit.
    Pika was far more powerfull then vergo due hes ability.
    If zoro had encountered vergo in punk hazard, vergo would have been killed instandly due zoro being the worst possible match up for him.
    Unless vergo was smart and used moonwalk to run away with hes life.
    Luffy and Sanji wouldn't have been able to do much against Pica, and Luffy is supposed to be the strongest. Zoro was suited to fighting Pica because he could cut through rocks while Sanji and Luffy can't cut.

    Sanji wasn't using haki, was he? I doubt Vergo would have been taken out that quickly. Didn't Law use Shambles? This is honestly quite an illogical post, which I did not expect out of HxH or Naruto sections.

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    Zoro and Luffy are the top fighters in straw hat crew, theres no more ''monster'' trio.
    Sure sanji is strong, but he cant compare to luffy and zoro.
    He should stay in the kitchen and make sandwiches for the crew.
    Do you hate Sanji or something?

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    Re: Zoro and Sanji, Sanji fell behind?

    Pika DF allows him to assimilate with the rocks and stone, so i think its not possible to locate his ''main'' body with haki, since hes ''presense'' is everywhere.
    If it wasnt for that, Luffy should have been able to locate hes main body and punch him out of the rocks in hes several encounters before.
    So its safe to say, that sanji wouldnt be able to locate his main body with haki either.

    And i dont hate sanji, but fighting capability wise, he is not in the same level as zoro or luffy.
    Hes main strenght lies in cooking, not fighting.
    Sure he can fight good, but he can cook better.

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    Re: Zoro and Sanji, Sanji fell behind?

    Sanji can fight just as well, there has been no way to clearly tell who out of the three was clearly stronger. Luffy suits certain opponents while Zoro and Sanji suit different kinds of opponents. Zoro beat Pica where Luffy and Sanji would have failed, if not in protectin Riku anyway. Luffy was the only one who could take on Eneru because his body was resistant to lightning. But we have seen Sanji be pretty resilient, taking tons of damage but still standing up.

    it's all about matchups, and Luffy gettin the boss just makes him look stronger even if he isn't.

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    Re: Zoro and Sanji, Sanji fell behind?

    Luffy is stronger than sanji though. That can be properly measured since they fight similarly.

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