I was noting mainly for Itachi’s Tsukuyomi since you did quote first my Gaara vs Itachi scenario, and then I gave some comments about how Gaara countered the Mizukage’s illusion with the presence of the 3rd Eye as moot in Itachi’s case. I think with your post we can agree to this.
Regarding your battle scene among Sound 4 and Gaara it’s already planned for Gaara’s victory and anybody rooting for the Sound 4 can also counter and make his own battle scenario to fit his objective, so I’m not gonna delve myself about it except for the genjutsu thing because that’s the main question here.
Shikamaru broke Tayuya’s genjutsu with his shadow breaking his finger. I wonder how Gaara’s gonna hurt himself. If he does it with his sand then most likely he’s fine. But still I wonder how he’ll react immediately to it compared to Shika’s immediate counter. The counter for Mizukage was pretty obvious because of the latter’s declaration. So the odds are different. So basically it depends upon Gaara himself if he can immediately think of the counter to hurt himself. Otherwise, he’s screwed.
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Gaara can change the mountain/rocks into a sand for his jutsu in an instant. So it doesn't matter if itachi will use his susanoo, amaterasu and tsukuyomi, he'll swim into the sand down to the hellish place.
Oh, i think gaara would just fly above and let his sand in the ground rape itachi. Gaara just need his eye jutsu and control those sand from above while throwing his sand ball of rain to itachi's ass. What would itachi can do in that situation? pray? His tsunami of sand and his rain of sand ball are enough to kill itachi who just have a low level capacity of chakra.
Remember, that it was gaara's sand who sensed muu's presence. He literally control those sand that was flying/floating all around that area. Then controlling those sand and shoot them to itachi's eyes, will make itachi into a fodder ninja. Without his sharingan, he's just as astrong as iruka, from my POV.
And by adding his father, a gold dust user and the third kazegake, the magnet sand user. Then itachi's chance goes down to .0000000 %.
The only chance itachi got is his never ending favorite jutsu of all time, genjutsu/tsukuyomi. BUt if gaara can fly directly using his sand, then i don't see him being defeated by itachi. Then he'll just use his ultimate sand to chase itachi until he run out of chakra. Well, specifically, itachi is just an average ninja in tems of chakra capacity. So he won't last for more than 5 or 10 minutes.
But that's of course is just my POV.
I don't want to get in to this too much, so I will just say this : While Itachi is overall obviously stronger than Gaara, that doesn't mean he will win against him. A battle between these two is not something so simple as "the strongest wins."
We’ve seen Gaara fucked up by Deidara’s bombs in part 2. We’ve seen his difficulty in dealing with Mizukage finally thanks to the Golden Sand left by his father. We’ve seen incomplete Susanoo tanked not only Gaara’s attack but his siblings and Darui. We’ve seen Itachi’s intelligence paired with his techniques. We’ve seen Itachi’s calmness and analysis in dealing with the massive CT landscape so Gaara’s sand is not a problem. Itachi can just jump and go with the flow of sand, deflect sand attacks there and finally stomp with his ethereal arsenal.Quote:
We’ve seen how Itachi immediately jumped above after releasing his katon jutsu. So Itachi swimming into the sand is moot.[/QUOTE]
The guy just was able to hold his ground against CM Naruto, and dodge Killer Bee’s Samehada even when he has his taijutsu duel with Naruto. He’s shown to end battles quickly and he did manage to get his treasures which are not innate in his Susanoo. We’ve seen how fast enough the Blade of Totsuka is to pierce an opponent even at high range. So even if Gaara is above he’ll still be reached by Magatama projectiles and totsuka.No offense but seriously you’re discrediting the guy and put too much bias in your post really.. And one more thing here: He is not ‘My Itachi’ unlike ‘Your Minato’. I’m a fan, not a fanboy.
I’ve already said how an incomplete Susanoo tank not just sand balls but added with other attacks. It’s pretty much inferior compared to Itachi’s susanoo having Totsuka and Yata Mirror that deflects anything. So the sand balls are useless. Again we’ve already seen Itachi can just jump above, activate his susanoo there and pierce Gaara.Quote:
Nope. I am talking about the current Gaara. I mentioned Lee in the context of you saying about the sand being shoot in the eyes, not comparing Gaara’s caliber in part 1 vs Itachi’s caliber in part 2 because common sense tells us that’s dumb. Even then your assumed setting didn’t happen in part 2.Quote:
Then again you’re exaggerating your statements by downplaying an Uchiha and taking away his sharingan asset. Well I don’t want to get myself delved on that because it’s your opinion anyway. But seriously just come to think of it if Minato doesn’t have his hiraishin asset.
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And no, if you're a fan of itachi, then it means you're a fanboy. You're a fan and a boy, so it makes you a fanboy.
But for itachi, without his sharingan, you're already taking the source of his power/jutsu.
And the fact that i just said that gaara can send some of his sand to itachi's eyes to sealed his sharingan. Seriously, how would itachi fight if his eyes had a sand? I've never take itachi's sharingan just to downplay him, i'm just giving you a scenario for gaara to counter itachi's sharingan.
Mizukage and Raikage got out of Gaara’s sand. What makes you think Itachi with his Susanoo cannot get out from that?. Just wow. And where is this underground thing coming when Itachi can just get of the sand and catch Gaara with his ethereal blade above which we’ve seen instantly to pierce at considerable range.? Just wow. Gaara is sealed with his sand. That can actually be the end of it. Really Itachi’s susanoo with its weapons cannot just be restrained by Gaara’s sand.Quote:
Just when Gaara is controlling the sand to attack at different angles (of which he can’t do when he has his eyes closed lol), he’ll be surprised to be pierced by Totsuka just as when Orochimaru was pierced above. (as this thread doesn’t grant that they know each other’s abilities fully) So it’s not useless and will never be when activated.Quote:
Just Literal and Funny. Meh.Quote:
I said things about the sand balls because you’ve mentioned about it. It’s useless. When he jumps and Gaara’s sand blocks yata mirror deflects. Sinkhole is moot because Itachi’s Susanoo can just fuck up the ground and deflects the sand away. One example of Gaara’s frightening sand stomps was when he cornered Deidara in his massive Giant Ball sand. And what did Deidara do to escape?. He just did use his clay explosion which is pretty much inferior to Itachi’s defensive and offensive susanoo.Quote:
Nope. Hiraishin makes Minato the fastest in the manga. Take that away from him and he loses that title.Quote:
So let’s not take away from these guys their assets. That’s what they have and let’s accept it as it is, well unless if we have Uchiha hatred I understand.
Aside from the fact that it didn’t happen in the manga and that ‘shooting of sand to seal sharingan scenario’ is moot, no offense but it’s a fact that you’re downplaying him with your words, despite the fact that we witnessed what he’s capable of. Again it’s a fact with your words, but it’s your opinion anyway so you’re very free to expose it.Originally Posted by marshall313
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@naruto the best, BUT what do you think about what I wrote about Itachi being unable to use Tsukuyomi against Gaara due to difference in distance <Tsu being close range genjutsu, proven by manga/databooks>?
About mixed version of Sasuke/Naruto - just my interpretation of Gaara <it just seems that way as he can communicate well with both of them >, about being "genius" type, here:
I can only agree, there's too much benefit of a doubt for that one <though I forgot that Shika used shadow for his finger which means that he was able to use shadow outside of genjutsu, which further makes me hope that Gaara is able to do the same with his sand <sand coffin on his hand, lol xP>Originally Posted by naruto the best
Although it was used AFTER Oonoki powered-up Gaara's sand, this is another way to counter Susano'o by Gaara:Originally Posted by marshall313
Though, srsly, it makes no sense to me as it proves that Susano'o's defense from the ground seems.. open?! I like better scenario with Gokusa Maisou.
In part 2 Gaara's defense wasn't beaten by speed of Lee or Sasuke <actually there's no instance that is was beaten by speed itself>:Originally Posted by naruto the best
- against DeiDei-chan - because Deidara, overally, is helluva intelligent and is able to use his bombs effectively. Does his bombs were faster than Gaara's sand? No. <he even blocked those 'faster birds' which Dei said were the fastest ones <before doing egg-shell thingy>, and when his bird was outside of egg-shell and Deidara used it, the sand could still keep up with it (gourd sand that is)>;
- against Mizukage dude - I think that difficulty here was Jokey Boy, not absolute defense's failure <though we've seen that Gaara's sand defense is poor against water-type thingies>; aside from that, this fight was plot-written: Gaara, as always <f*ck : (> had to protect somebody else-it could have been different when he wouldn't have to worry about other shinobi being blown away by JB <not to mention he was fighting against an opponent AFTER his fight with his dad>.