Lumen Histoire = Fairy Heart = Mavis
As far as we know, Zeref had dropped Mavis' dead body in front of the guild so that Precht could encase her in a lacrima.
Then, when Precht was resigning as a master, Precht told Makarov about it.
Then, when Makarov was temporarily resigning, he showed Lumen Histoire to Gildarts.
Ivan, who is one hell of a sketchy bastard, also knows something about it but only the 'Lumen Histoire is the darkness of the Fairy Tail' part.
Maybe Mavis herself has told Zeref about it, which seems probable and improbable at the same time (beautiful contradictions ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°))
Or maybe since Zeref can apparently teleport with ease, one day, on one of many of his adventures, he stumbled upon the guild's basement, passing through non-existent security control and saw the main attraction with his own eyes.
And one more thing. Is August a zombiefied Precht aka Hades or is it just a coincidence that they look basically the same?
I would guess Hades told someone of even Zeref himself about it.
Its most likely Hades has leaked information here and there and Zeref has caught word of it.
Zeref can't see or actually communicate with Mavis' thoughtform, so Zeref would either of heard of Fairy Heart from Ivan or Hades. Ivan most likely heard about it from Hades.
His empire tried to invade Ishgar 10 years ago for it... so pretty sure someone told him what the purpose for that attempt...
Isn't Hades the same person as Precht?...
I guess Hades must have told Ultear (who was possessed by Zeref) about the Fairy Heart. Or that suspicious guy from the last chapter of FT Zero told Zeref about Fairy Heart...
Last edited by ahmadrizqik; September 16, 2015 at 04:59 PM.
Hades wouldn't leak any information out. I don't think Ivan learned it from Hades either. They have like no relations. Hades told Makarov and somehow Ivan found it out by Makarov.
I think this question is a tough. We know a lot about Fairy Tail, but we know nothing about Zeref. Zeref was on Tenrou when we first saw him. Coincidentally, so was Mavis. The only thing that I can think of was that Mavis told Zeref.
On Tenrou, Mavis looked at Zeref as a boyfriend. After all, they had a relationship before Mavis had supposedly died and had not seen each other since. Mavis probably told Zeref the secret and after Tenrou, Zeref turned against her. Mavis always seems to miscalculate and have people betray her, I guess she has bad luck???
Well Mavis cannot interact with Zeref. That was already confirmed. When they had their 'discussion' after the GMG, he couldn't actually see or hear her. He could only feel her presence somewhat and it wasn't like something he was feing through magic, it's like an instinct thing. Considering that, there's no way Mavis could have told him.
Maybe he can't hear her physically through sound waves and such, but there is no way he heard Mavis' questions by pure guessing. He was spot on in rephrasing and answering Mavis' questions, almost hitting the exact same structures of the sentences that Mavis had used.
Only way he could do so is if he were a god like Ankhseram, which I highly doubt, so he couldnt have predicted everything Mavis said exactly. Out of a million chances of answering that question, Zeref was able to direct every single question back towards Mavis..
If I had to guess, he could somehow communicate with her through his senses or mentally. Either way, if it is not by speech, it is some form of communication. Whatever that communication is beats me, but Mavis likely has the capability to get her message to Zeref and Zeref has the capability to comprehend what Mavis wants him to know. If not, he could somehow sense Fairy Heart either through the magical energy that it gives off or his connection with Mavis.
Last edited by Nemispelled; September 16, 2015 at 09:39 PM.
No he actually can't do neither. He wasn't hearing her through any other means as he said so himself. It's just him knowing what Mavis would have said if she were indeed there hence why he could answer like that and even if he could, Mavis would not tell him about FH. Even though he answered as if he could hear her, he wouldn't actually know what she was saying. He was answering what he assumed she would say which she really happened to be saying but he couldn't hear her and then Mashima obviously twists it so it does sound like random stuff. Think of it like someone going to a grave and taking as though the person was there listening. You'd even hear people say that they can feel that the person is indeed there listening to them and taking. However, what they say is based on what they think would be a conversation if the other person is there (which is usually very accurate since such people are close). What we then have is giving us the chance to see said spirit (Mavis in this case) who actually happens to be having the conversation the same way the other person thought it would go.
Last edited by Holt; September 16, 2015 at 09:58 PM.
I agree that Mashima did this a twist and it was supposed to have more of a literary effect than anything else. It's just for the hype. But realistically, you can't deny what happened was sensed instead of going by a person's personal emotion. There was still no way Zeref could have predicted that. He'd have to be a god in order to do that.
Even if Zeref couldn't hear Mavis physically, he could hear Mavis figuratively or mentally. The fact is that he somehow got the information that Mavis was saying. How he does it has not been revealed yet, but characters like Zeref and Mavis have a sixth sense you could say.
My prediction isn't likely, but it certainly hasn't been deemed invalid yet either. At least, not yet.
If you refuse to believe what I say, by all means go ahead, I have no control on what you think and I'm not trying to impress anybody either. Nothing is certain, so as I said, if it isn't by some sort of way of hearing, it could be the magic energy that FH gives off that Zeref can sense or it could be Zeref's romantic affiliation with Mavis.
Knowing Mashima's style of writing, it is likely Zeref's romantic connection with Mavis that allows him to find out about FH.
this is just my opinion. If Zeref had known FH from Mavis, he could have seized FH. He should not have waited for 1 year
He didn't wait. Prior to the timeskip ( 10 years before Tartaros or 11 years from current events), Alvarez attempted a full-scale invasion of Ishgar. It was classified information by the magic council and the council countered the invasion with a threat to use a combined force of Etherion Blast and Face.
Alvarez knew they were beat and called it off, drawing a fine line between the two nations, in which neither side crossed. After Tartaros, Etherion and Face became out of operation.
Now, Alvarez is planning another invasion which is Makarov's reason for disbanding and going over to Alvarez for negotiations.
According to the timeline, Zeref knew about FH long before Alvarez's first full-scale invasion against Ishgar.
We're not talking about GMG or Tenrou arc here. The first invasion already was attempted 2-3 years before the beginning of the series when Lucy joined FT. It's not even on the timeline that we've seen so far. It slightly before what we've seen at the beginning of the series, but happened way after Fairy Tail Zero.
Again, the reason we never heard about it when the first season of Fairy Tail started was because the magic council at the time chose to keep the attempted invasion against Ishgar disclosed to the people of Ishgar...
I'm not arguing against anybody here. To be fair, everybody has an equal chance of being right. I give all credit to the original poster, Skywvrd, for thinking about this and asking this question. It is a good question that could be answered soon. If you closely analyze the timeline, it is in the unknown gap from FTZ and when we first saw FT.
Last edited by Nemispelled; September 17, 2015 at 12:59 AM.
yeah, you are right. and then, suddenly a thought is coming to my head. a new question comes up like this: "How does Ivan know about the Fairy Heart?"
considering Precht Gaebolg never leaked the information out and Zeref himself knew it from Mavis directly. I hope there will be more explanation in manga
Last edited by ahmadrizqik; September 17, 2015 at 01:16 AM.
Originally I thought zeref might have just deduced fairy heart existing as a natural consequence of mavis' condition as a half dead cursed body. On the other hand there is real evidence that purehito did manage to have a hand in creating fairy heart.
Remember the grimmoire heart arc? Hades had the "grimmoire heart". We never saw it but it was the source of hades' longevity as well as an infinite source of magic for him. When it was destroyed, he lost both of those things. Anyways, in context right now it is pretty clear that the grimoir heart was replicating mavis herself. In a way he made a more functional ankseram curse so to speak.
As for how zeref found out... Who knows.. Maybe he ran into mavis' spirit form or was even told about it by hades. It's not impossible predtch ran into zeref again before he came up with his twisted objectives.