So Hakuryuu is now in charge of the Kou Empire. Presumably he has his sister's support, and the SSA can be counted on to meddle in their affairs, but the real question is how much influence does he actually have and how badly is he going to screw things up? He's likely completely and utterly alienated at least a quarter (probably significantly more than that) of the Empire's citizens. Others may try to leave the Empire entirely, a fear that the Western Army expressed.
At best, he's probably already an Emperor in name only. The precedent has already been set that any part of the country that wants to leave the empire can do so by secretly joining the SSA.
The fallout from the war should be pretty damn awful, but rather than being overwhelmed and held responsible for pretty much destroying his country, I strongly suspect that the topic won't even be raised. Hakuryuu will be the best Emperor ever, because Ohtaka can't really afford to have any more blood on his hands if he's meant to be one of the story's protagonists.
So by virtue of Authorial Fiat (since he otherwise lacks any whatsoever), he will be a good king.
That leaves the three exiled princes. Presumably they aren't allowed in Kou, and since that covered basically an entire continent, that narrows their options. They also won't be able to enter the SSA. That's basically the rest of the continent. There's a few narrow strips of land, some independent trading commonwealths in the deserts and mountains, but those places are pretty dangerous.
They don't have their metal vessels, Koumei's a strategist, Kouen's a cripple. That leaves Kouha as the only real fighter among them, and I'm a bit skeptical as to whether or not he's anything special without Leraje.
Most of their households have homes and family in Kou. I don't think they'd expect or want any of their retainers to follow them into exile. Kou will need them and there's nothing the princes can do for them anymore.
It may be likely that Sinbad won't allow them to walk away that easily. Aside from Kouen, he wasn't prepared to execute them in full view of everyone. He's probably putting on a nice guy act for as long as he can, but who's going to know or care if his former enemies had a bad run in with some desert bandits or were involved in some terrible accident at sea? Sinbad can and likely will try to have them killed discreetly.
So where are they going to run to? Is there anyone able and willing to take them in?
Reim. Kouen and Mu Alexius had previous ties as shown during the Second Balbadd Arc. It'd be fairly pointless for Ohtaka to make a big deal about Kouen living only to have him and his brothers die in another manner. The only reason for this would be to further paint Sinbad as a villain, which can be done through a variety of other means such as undermining Hakuryuu's current power as Emperor, or doing the same with any other country in the world of Magi. They'll probably be considered honorable guests of Reim ultimately taking part in a future arc down the line when Alibaba comes back and needs allies when considering how to thwart a David controlled or manipulated Sinbad.
The Kou bros should still have their metal vessels, all they need to do is transfer the djinn.
The western army was forgiven, so they should only be worried for their karma(angry peasants will rip them to pieces if they are not careful) and the future of their military career.Quote:
It's wast that bad, roman civil wars were far worse this so called "civil war".Quote:
(There wasn't even an urban warfare between the western and easter factions , so the destruction was minimal.)
-He will be the Chinese version of Augustus.
hmm he has 2 djinn and an private army, ..so..he is not emperor only in name + now Aladdin will be kou.Quote:
The only risk to him is the SSA goal, but hakuryuu is not against SSA goal.(SSA is a threat to all empires anyway.)
do you think that hakuryuu will leave them abandoned ?Quote:
*note: the next images are from chapter 281.*
For the kouen & company location, they are exiled on an island that may be inside kou territories.
why? becasue hakuryuu used kou official fleet to reach such island, and send exiles to remote countries is not recommendable, plus those outlaws are hakuryuu family so he is not going to abandon them to their luck.
- look like there is a small city in that island.
As you can see , kou brother have protection and I am sure they receive food too.
Now, in a fast inspection to the image, we can see a watchtower and a big port(there are provisions on the port), so that island is not deserted nor an inhospitable place.
That island may be one of those prisons that doesn't require cages; a place from where some precious resource is extracted(so the security is top notch) or one of the many resort (private island) that any emperor has.
no, but they under hakuryuu care.Quote:
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I agree with dazo, don't be surprised if as the story goes along, Kouen and his bros, become generals under Hakuryuu, frankly I think that Kouen will become his General at some point or another, and I am not talking about just Sinbad, for some reason, I feel that there will, there should be a lot of issues that Hakuryuu will face as a new Emperor, of many countries that were not even conquered by him, much less many that he even wanted in the first place, some retaliation is expected and should happen, not to punish Hakuryuu or anything, but to punish Kou and get their regressive, sycophany based culture out of those countries,+no country should be have their identity stripped and reduced to colonies.
If this force turns out to be something that Hakuryuuu can't manage, or the sentiments regarding 'Being under the Kou' are too negative, then I can see Kouen being called in to quell massess, so don't be surprised if you see him come out of exile quite before the end.
That is why it is wise for Hakuryuu to actually give back all the countries Kou have taken by force to their respective owners, if he really used to oppose the military conquest Kou used to perform. If he does not do that, logically, he will definitely face problems, just as you said.
I'm also sure that the Kou family will end up serving Hakuryuu with all the grace they can muster. In effect, they'll be less relevant than Sinbad's 8 generals from here on out. At least we can count on some nice drama from them when the time comes.
As for the dissolution of the Kou Empire, why would you even assume that was a good thing?
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Other than that, I never really thought that he was that opposed to what the Kou was doing, he was pretty much ready to bring the horrors of war to his own country if need be, and recently his whole 'I hate those who mess with the lives of others' was proven to be bull, even after coming back, he did not give a single fuck about Kougyoku being mind controlled and is not even angry at Sinbad for that, I won't be surprised if the control is still there, for security purposes
+Had his brothers been alive he would have been doing the same thing as well.
And anyways it is not like Hakuryuu can actually do this, whatever people may say about Kou conquering countries would lead to countless dead and the country broken, for the last 10 years, that very act has made it one of the most powerful and influential countries in the world and the wealth that Kouen has bought seems to have trickled down to even the lowest rungs of society, as you can see from Balbaad, though in return for this, the people who already were well off, have become much richer than they were, and it is no assumption to say that the nobility has prospered even more than the common people, I mean all the Governmental positions in Balbaad are held by those guys, the taxes from the colonies as well as the proceeds from using the resources, go to the crown and the nobility, and since it has been like this for the past 10 years, nobody would really want to change anything, especially not people from the Kou Empire where even the lowest person can get a decent job in a conquered territory.
If Hakuryuu tries to do anything like this, the very nobles who praise him and employ sycophancy around him, would turn on him and...I don't think that the current Hakuryuu would want to Bellial any of them.
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Anyway, as for Kou actually being a just and prosperous nation, yes I agree with you. And the fact that even the slavery system (which is not good but still) Koumei applied was designed in a way that would provide decent living for people. Yet, as I mentioned above, occupation still has a strong psychological impact on those occupied and the changing of culture deepens this negative impact. And again, history proves that occupation was never the best option for either the occupier or the occupied. Also, if my memory serves me right, why would Alibaba be dissatisfied with Kouen taking over his country even though his country actually became better when Kou took over? I am sure that there are several reasons, one of them would be that he fears involving Balbadd with wars of the Kou Empire, and he has the right to do so.
As for Hakuryuu, I actually see that he actually used to believe that people should not be controlled by force; however, after falling into depravity, he has undergone a 180 degrees change and his beliefs changed due to him loosing himself to his hatred, and he also became a hypocrite of some sort (and this change made me pretty annoyed). As for him being a leader, as I previously mentioned in some other post, Hakuryuu is still (for what we know now) not a suitable person to lead. Although I doubt she will do so as Hakuryuu basically took about 30 chapters of focus, it would be interesting if the author showcased for us how Hakuryuu will handle things and how would he lead his country either for the better or worse future. No one would disagree to the fact that Kouen was a better leader despite some mistakes he have done, one mistake includes forcing people to be under his control.
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Ok, unlike you I don't think that the countries which Kou conquered, were toxic cess-pools of humanity, or the worst that humanity has to offer, it is entirely likely that there were plenty of cultures all over the Eastern Continent, which were better than the Kou Empire, but since they did not have any MV's or a personal Magi, these countries were conquered, I mean one of Kouens Generals himself acknowledged that MV's users have been the reasons they won, when all else has failed in the past
Also, I really think it is unfair that the conquered citizens are relegated to second class citizens, this picture in Balbaad explains everything perfectly, since you don't want to take Hassans word for it.
You can see that the former citizens of Balbaad are bowing and all the other guys are the ones with their heads held up high, I certainly don't think that these people from the Kou were any smarter than the former retainers of the previous Kings, especially if they have to resort to bringing Alibaba down to gain personal favor from their superiors, this sycophancy filled culture, which stifles peoples growth and ability to think on their own is the reason why the Kou Empire needs to go and leave these countries to their own fate, sadly this will not take place, as many have gotten too accustomed to their new lifestyles and I doubt the old Kou on its own can sustain these lifesytyles, in the first place, so it will obviously not come from Hakuryuus end, hence a revolution needs to come from within the conquered citizens themselves.
I doubt Hakuryuu can do anything about this, the whole reason he is in power and got away with whatever he did in this war, is due to this mentality among his own countrymen, this literally is the way things are in his country, he can't change it within his generation without using force like his Dad, and I doubt this is something that he will want to do at this point in time.
And have you forgotten that he wanted to start a civil war from the very beginning? Nobody wanted this sort of thing, aside from him, but yet he was still willing to go through with it, at the bottom of his heart, he was just like his brothers and cousins, somebody who had a particulr goal and would not stop at anything to achieve it, the words that he said were just a cover that he would put over his true intentions, even for himself, right now he is feeling the heat, since he has no need to do this kind of thing at all, and he actually got all he wanted without depending only on violence, frankly when he depended less on violence, the results were even better than when he did, so that is why he reconsidering his stance, but had he gotten his victory through violence like he always intended to do so, he would seriously not consider himself a hypocrite, actually I don't think he does at all, he did not think himself a hypocrite when Alibaba called him on those soldiers of his, and even now, he sees himself as someone who killed a lot of people to get to where he is, but not a hypocrite.
I don't think that Hakuryuus solution would be any more than to appease those in his country, frankly he has never really been bothered about the conquered territories, so I don't see why he should be now, I bet even Hakuryuu was surprised when he was given control of the conquered territories from Sinbad, most probably he will let the nobles who have been dealing with them till now, continue their duties, and that will be that.
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Simply put if the Eastern Continent was based on Asia,it was defintely not heaven, but it was not hell either, and you are in the same boat you say we all are in.
Only aesthetically. The situation is much worse. Even as bad as medieval Asia was the population grew steadily. Not in Magi though. The fallout from the Kouga Empire collapsing reduced the continent's population to a 3rd of what it was. That's literally tens of millions of people (the population of Magi's world is incredibly small) being killed or displaced over a period of several hundred years.Quote:
And Kina is "peaceful", based on what? That they isolated themselves? Do you know anything about feudal Japan?
As for Balbaad, it's not a nice place to live. Rashid's reign was not a prosperous one. No, really, go back and look at the arc. The slums were destroyed by Rashid, not by Abmad or Kou. Rashid was the one that instituted the quarantine to keep the plague isolated, and refused to provide medical aid to the fallen. The economic downturn began before he died, and we'll probably find out why that is from the Sinbad manga (with any luck Sinbad will end up screwing Rashid over somehow).
Really, you need to stop making baseless assumptions just to suit your agenda.