No Itachi - No Naruto Sasuke connection
No Hashimara - No Naruto Sasuke Minato Itachi.
With your logic ; Hashimara > Minato > Itachi just because it's the order they came in.
And your right, i said 'most-likely', but instead now ill just go with Madara's words.
'Surely' is the word i was looking for.
Itachi saved Naruto's live, i don't call this only 'helping' Naruto progress.
This is manga evidence, which you denied / missunderstood, that is what happened
p.s, there is no need for you to get cocky, i didnt delete my post, i rephrased it, cause my english is obviously a problem sometimes, i want things to be clear as possible.
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You know just like any of us that Madara is making sure that Sasuke is on his side in the end.
Madara spoke the truth about Itachi and the massacre.
Don't use this to try and deny it, Madara is a lie when it comes to talking about himself, this is a known fact. Databook clearly commented on Itachi's situation and his sacrifice.
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I think Uchiha Itachi had the greatest impact. Since, if he didn't leave and killed the Uchiha clan, Sasuke wouldn't be mad at him, so he wouldn't want to seek for revenge, so when Orichimaru was looking for Sasuke, Sasuke wouldn't go to Orichimaru for power, and if he didn't leave, Naruto wouldn't look for Sasuke, and if Sasuke didn't get mad at Itachi, he wouldn't go train so hard that he would be able to kill Orichimaru, and if he didn't kill Orichimaru, Kabuto wouldn't be "freee" in a way, and if Sasuke didn't leave Konoha, because he wanted to seek power for revenge to Itachi, Naruto wouldn't have failed at ...well you get it, right ?
Its very hard to choose among Hashirama and Minato. They both protected not only their village, but others as well by defeating Madara and Kyuubi. If Naruto is able to change the shinobi world or the system, then I guess Minato influence is/was greater.
Minato. IMO his action are what shaped the main character of the story, which gives him the greatest impact. If we're talking about who had the greater impact on the ninja world, then it would be Hashirama > Minato > Itachi.
There is only one person who has directly impacted and influenced outcomes in this story, Itachi Uchiha.
Senju Hashirama is just a name for something, nothing more. Yes, he was the first Hokage, but the actions today are not being dictated by events 30+ years ago. Hashrrama cells are just a name for something, no influence. It's like saying Darwin is responsible for all evolution, which is clearly not the case.
Minato has some impact, but it is also very little. Besides giving Naruto his genes he imposed a special condition in Naruto, i.e. the Kyuubi. He also made the rasengan, but even if it didn't exist Naruto would/could learn another technique to protect himself. Naruto's condition (the Kyuubi) impacts Naruto at times but doesn't impact events that happen in the storyline. That's the kyuubi's doing, not Minato's.
The only one to influence things is Itachi. If Itachi wasn't there, the Uchiha clan would still be alive, Sasuke's whole life would be different because his scars were inflicted by Itachi. Sasuke wouldn't go after Orochimaru and Orochimaru might even leave the Leaf village alone pursuing his quest for all jutsus. Team 7 would be united and go after Madara themselves. It would be a completely different story if you were to extract Itachi out of the storyline.
I don't see how Hashirama is just a name. He created the village in which events such as the Kyuubi incident and the Uchiha massacre took place, If he had chosen not to create the village none of those events would of occured. For all we know the Uchiha could of created their own village. If the story was mainly based around Sasuke then I could see Itachi having more weight than Minato, but it's not. The Kyuubi event and the Uchiha massacre are equal in the sense that they both shaped Sasuke and Naruto's characters.
How is this even a question? The answer is OBVIOUSLY Hashirama. Itachi and Minato are simply people who protected what Hashirama BUILT. STARTED. Those two were people who did great things, sure, but they built no foundations - only protected the foundation started and upheld by Hashirama.
Also, Madara deserves to be on this list more than Itachi. Actually a more valid question would be who had more influence between Madara and Hashirama.
It depends a lot on how we see it.
Hashimara has without a doubt been influencing the outcome of the story for a very long time compared to Minato and Itachi but thats still not all there is to it.
If we wanna go this way, then it would Hashimara > Minato > Itachi as its the order in which they came in and whoever is next has to live through something it's predessor as shqped.
Thats one way to look at it.
An other is to realise that by removing any of the three, the story wouldnt be the same.
Hashimara has had a lot of influence due to the fact that he came first, but without Itachi or Minato this story wouldnt be where it's at right now and their importance imo. Is actually even more valuable because they directly shaped the two main characters of the story.
Sure, Hashimara made Madara go nuts thus lead him to use kyuubi for his revenge later on which caused both Itachi and Minato to do what they did, so in a way he supported the evolution of both Sasuke and Naruto but it still required Itachi to calculate a plan of 8 years and still required Minato to decide to entrust everything into Naruto when he could have lived.
Hashimara has had the longest influence, where Itachi and Minato have had the most direct and evident influence on the outcome of the manga as they both forged the two main characters into who they are now by devoting their lives to it.
Id say its pretty an equal battle, but i do favor itachi and minato as they put in the finishing touch.
Its like comparing someone getting an assist in hockey to getting a goal, you need both both the assist and the goal for things to work but the scorer has the last word on it no matter how great the pass was. We all want to get the goal over an assist, dont lie and clain you dont!
But in this case, Naruto is the one who will goal, and what we are to determine is who made the most important assist.
I think I'll go with Hashirama, because he was the one who created Konoha and the village system.
The current manga wouldnt be anywhere close to what it is right now without any of those three thats for sure, but while Hashimara has impacted over a longer period of time, Itachi and Minato are the backbone of the manga's current core.
Either way there is no surprise in seeing that the votes are that close as it depends a lot on how you see it. And the way i see Hashimara has influenced in a different way than Itachi and Minato.
It all comes down for most part to who you like the most or which sacrifice to you seemed to be the most important and i could understand as why Itachi has the edge over Minato here simply because Itachi both lived his whole life and died to influence the outcome of the story. Although Itachi is my favorite here, im not sure we can value his influence being greater because of the time he spent doing but i could understand people voting for him as what he did for all these years and even what he still manages to do through death is simply amazing.