The reasoning of Hashirama being the most important because he was one of the founding fathers is pretty weak. Hello, without the Sage of Six Paths we would likely have none of those three choices too. See how lame that reasoning is?
I voted for Itachi, he was the driving force for Sasuke in part 1, influenced Naruto and led to Jiraiya being his sensei. In part 2 he was slowly becoming more important again, forcing/manipulating Sasuke to grow, giving insight on Madara and the whole political situation there, using/helping Naruto to come to terms with his resolution, trying to bring Sasuke back to his senses countless times.
Minato might have been a nice guy and a good Hokage, team leader of Kakashi and pupil of Jiraiya, but aside from putting Kyubi into Naruto he's done not much in the story.
Konoha's existence (and the existence of the ninja village system - without this, no Uchiha revolt at all -> no Itachi massacre -> different Itachi) - Hashirama
Uchiha and Senju (and others) living together - Hashirama
Uchiha massacre - (unless the Uchiha reasons are expanded in future chapters) Uchiha feeling that they are not leading the village as they should be, and that they have been reduced to Senju lapdogs - Hashirama (Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato - and Danzou and the elders - NOT Itachi)
Zetsu's and Yamato's existence - Hashirama's cells required
Rinnengan - suggested to require Senju and Uchiha DNA - if true then Hashirama again
Madara's current strength - Hashirama
The chance for Tobi's ridiculously stupid plan to work - Hashirama and Tobirama
As for the SOT6P, well, yeah, he has the greatest influence of all.
Without him, there would be
NO Senju (NO Hashirama)
NO Uchiha (NO Itachi or Sasuke)
NO Uzumaki (NO Naruto)
NO Tailed beasts
NO Akatsuki, as no Tobi or Nagato (he would have no rinnegan)
in fact, there would be NO ninjutsu at all...
Problem is, the SOT6P isn't on the list of who has had the greatest influence, and therefore we can not choose him as an option in this discussion.
Last edited by zimbardo; July 13, 2012 at 03:50 AM.
The coming chapters will probably help out with the discussion quite a bit more.
Well at this point its obviously Hashirama... That guys cells are everywhere.
Until he turns Sasuke into an avenger or a village protector, Itachi is still the more influential person to the story. He was the reason Sasuke deserted Konoha and trained with Orochimaru. He was then the reason Sasuke tried to get revenge from the village. After he was summoned as an Edo Tensei, he was the reason such a hax Edo summon like Nagato was sealed and he was also the reason Naruto remembered how he came that far with the aid of his friends, not just relying on his own power.
Finally, he was the reason Edo Tensei nightmare was stopped and he is the reason why Sasuke still considers not getting revenge as an option.
I think that's more than enough.
Consolation prize for Hashirama: His cells helped a lot in ruining the manga
It terms of what is relevant to the actual story, not things that happened in the fictional history of it, then Itachi is without a doubt the most important of the three.
If we are talking in terms of history in the story, then yes, Hashirama would be.
But Itachi is the the sole reason so many things have happened in the plot. Hashirama's cells may indeed be screwing things up, but that was not his doing, it was Madara's and Orochimaru's.
By accomplishments, Itachi has the other two soundly beaten, by importance in the story Hashirama is number one imo
I have no idea what Itachi accomplishments are that would equal the founding of Konoha, creating the Biju balance and leading the "1 vilage = country" system. Yeah Itachi is not bad but he is no God of Shinobi.
Oh and Hashirama cells. He lead the development of the world's biggest plot no justu thing ever.
Itachi prevented a war that would've annihilated Konoha ( probably another World War ), stopped Kabuto and Edo Tensei, prevented Akatsuki from capturing Naruto ( at least according to the databook if I remember right ).
The guy really did a lot of things
^ yeah well, Rikudou started it all.
In the story, the most relevant one is surely Obito, without a doubt, but between the three imo Itachi accomplished more by himself, Hashirama's relevance is being revealed now
Though ultimately, one could argue Danzou is the most influential. His alliance with Hanzo caused Nagato to turn into Pain and be more easily manipulated by Tobi. Danzou also made sure the Uchiha were killed, influencing Itachi and Sasuke. He also led Orochimaru to attack Konoha, which influenced Naruto, Sasuke, and Konoha as whole.
T'was minato, no doubt.
He save the konoha from total annihilation of the kyubi/obito.( take note, the uchiha doesn't have the skills to annihilate the konoha nor the other villages)
And that's include the uchiha clan, specially itachi and sasuke. So without minato, there's no one can fight the kyubi and obito. Itachi and sasuke would be dead by now.
He gave naruto the power to change the future or to protect the world from destruction as the destined child. And later on, t'was confirmed by jiraiya that t'was really naruto who can stop the world from destruction. And oh, I forgot, even rikudou confirmed minato/jiraiya's prediction, that naruto would be the next vessel of the juubi. A juubi's jinchuuriki who can bring peace to the ninja world.
He was the one who stopped kushina for killing the kyubi. He preserved the bijuus balance.
Naruto save the alliance for annihilation by giving them kurama's molded chakra. And that's of course from minato's brilliant legacy.
Right now, naruto is the key of winning this war. So basically, minato and jiraiya are correct. Their legacy is the reason why the ninja world is still alive. The ninja world's hope is minato's legacy. So there's no doubt minato is the greatest influence of them all.
Basically, if it comes down to how characters in Konoha were influenced, Hashirama is way ahead of the pack. The Will of Fire is his heritage to the next generations. Minato, Itachi, Naruto are all people who just adopted it and carried it on.
The story was written by the Rikudou Sennin. It was narrated to the next generations by Senju Hashirama. People like Itachi, Minato and the Children of the Destiny, Nagato and Naruto were all just actors on the stage, getting more or less the spotlight Obito and Madara is getting now.
I just can't accept that for someone, itachi did a lot of things than minato.
But in reality, t'was minato who did an unbelievable things than itachi.
Spy of konoha to the uchiha clan.
He killed his clan or the konoha would kill them all.( so itachi never save the konoha from annihilation)
Spy of konoha to akatsuki.
He stopped the ET, but in reality, he made it worse.
After all the things he done to protect the village and his brother, it would become useless because his brother would destroy the konoha, along with the children, old fart and civilians. ( of course, assuming his brother has the power to do that)
This achievements aren't comparable to minato at all, and how come itachi has the greater influence if the konoha's ninjas/villagers doesn't know anything on what he did?
For me, itachi has the greater influence to sasuke. And to sasuke alone.
Whereas for minato, he had greater influence to jiraiya, kakashi, obito, tsunade, naruto, to konoha, to raikage/kumo and iwa.