clair's new issue and then on next page deneve's explanation. And its not that she cant awaken, its just clair unconsciously pulling her back from awakening, becuz of what happeend with jean.
Also Deneve's good explanation of why clair wont awaken hope it helped Azula-chan
I realized something weird. If Clare is unable to awaken, wouldn't it just mean that Clare has more potential than all the Claymores ever created?
Remember when it was stated that the monster got Clare's sword, you think the monster was hoping to absorb Clare entirely because she was already part of the monster's memory bank or something?
Also, when a Claymore is awakened, do they still continue to grow in power? What I'm asking is after they awaken, will they appear stronger in the next 10 years, or will they still have the same power?
I'd think what you said about the potential is right on. And if she just stopped trying to release more yoki and just stayed at her half-awakened form in battle, she'd be stronger than everyone in the series besides Priscilla.
But about the awakeneds, I wouldn't think they become more powerful. As I see it, when you awaken, your base power increases by a certain factor (depending on your unrealized potential) and then levels off.
(sorry for the absense, had a FKN stomach flu... )
Technically Clare did Awaken a few times ****AFTER**** she "supposedly couldn't Awaken due to Jean's Wedge", so she can Awaken, so than WTF is going on, eh?
Well, if you notice, Clare's Huge Blade Arms ****STOP**** just an inch before Priscilla's head, so something or someone is PREVENTING Clare from (Possibly, however Priscilla didn't seem to worried having Clare's Huge Blade Arms targetting her head, which is unusual as the head has always been fatal to any being, unless its a fake head and not the real head...) KILLING Priscilla. Now, Clare keeps trying/wanting to kill Priscilla, so THAN that something or someone prevents her from being able to Awaken, as without her Partial Awakening, Clare can't (again possible, see above parenthesis) kill Priscilla. So, it's not that Clare can't Awaken, but something or someone is preventing her from trying to kill Priscilla, and preventing her from being able to Partially Awaken was the next step, as Clare was/is determined to kill Priscilla.
So, who or what is this something or someone preventing Clare from killing Priscilla and thus indirectly prevents her from Awakening?
Jean? like Deneve thinks?
I don't agree. Jean and Priscilla has had ZERO contact, there's no reason Jean would want Priscilla kept alive. Ya, Jean might not want Clare to Awaken, but that's not what's actually going on in this situation; Clare was prevented from (possibly) killing Priscilla, *NOT* from merely Awakening, as we saw that Clare *WAS* able to Partially Awaken, again and again, Clare was being held back not from Awakening, but from trying to kill Priscilla.
So, it's my theory that its Teresa, as Teresa did keep giving Priscilla life after life, choosing not to kill her.
However, the problem with Teresa is her erratic behavior... Teresa is about to kill Priscilla, than she decides not to, than she is about to kill Priscilla again, than decides not to, and finally she decides to kill Priscilla... but gets herself beheaded instead as we all know.
Indeed, if Awakeneds could improve, Isley (and Rigardo and Dauf) would be the top Awakened, a "god", being the oldest Awakened on the island, but that is not so obviously.
So, it's quite evident that Awakeneds do *NOT* improve. They're stuck at their Power Level. Priscilla is as powerful now (well, prior to being sealed as the "Blob of 3") as she was when she Awakened after killing Teresa. She might not have full skill/knowledge of her new being/state, an Awakened, and the power and abilities that come with it, at that time, but she hasn't increased her Power Level, she's stuck at her Power level, albiet the highest Power Level currently on the island, hehe.
Thus it is why the HAs are the "Holy Grail", able to potentially ("end game" HA) to be "Awakeneds", able to change into a (full) Awakened body at will, and have their power and abilities, while *NOT* being actual Awakeneds, still having their human mind, and thus able to continue to improve and become more powerful!
I and some others have a theory that possibly Teresa is (was-hehe) this "end game" HA, as it explains her Power Level nicely, as well as many other things. As frighteningly powerful as Teresa already was... yes, we believe that possibly she could fully Awaken and de-Awaken at will, while maintaining her human mind, never becoming an Awakened. Truly a Goddess, Goddess Teresa
now about the theory of this:
Human Body = limited (duh)
Human Mind = UNlimited
Yoma Body = UNlimited
Yoma Mind = limited (my apologizes to Yomas, )
Claymore Body = UNlimited, but restricted due to (Resisting) Awakening
Claymore Mind = UNlimited, but restricted due to (Resisting) Awakening
HA Body = UNLIMITED
HA Mind = UNLIMITED
And this is why Rubel is so interested in the HAs, wanting them all to himself and his research, and keeping them secret from the other BCs... To make an Ultimate Army to rule the world, or to make himself into a god-being, hehe
if you're interested, this is from an old theory I wrote up quite a long time ago, so I can try to dig it up out of my notes (hopefully I have it in my notes, hehe) and provide even more details upon it, so let me know!
this was my response about the topic of whether Raki can compete against (the weakest) Claymores or not on another site.
(obviously I didn't finish it, hopefully I'll try to when I can, hehe)
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how can u say that Clare was stronger than Elena? we dont know that, all we know is
- Elena was awakening and wated Clare to kill her off,
Claymores way more powerfull than Elena had awakened before she did, it doesnt mean that Clare was no.1 at that time ...
also Clare would lose against Helen, Deneve or Miria if it was 1vs1 fight, when she received the quicksword arm it was another story as we could see when she slayed Ophelia, Clare was good at sensing yoki to do that she had to disable her yoki release, thus Miria did think that she was so powerfull, Clare wasnt strong enough to cut through awakened armor nor she was quick enough to dodge his atacks,
also about that yoma in Rabona, once Clare used her Claymore(sword) the fight was over( and she was injured), any other Claymore would do the same, problem was the city, thus she had to use small useless swords, dadgers + pills
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This is my openion of why Clare could not fully awaken when she met Priscilla. I think Jeans wedge was a pretty weak reason. As stated by Hegemonkhan under previous posts, Jean never met Priscilla.
To understand my reasoning, we first must first understand the relationship between Clare and Teresa. Lets look at what was most important to each of them.
For Clare, Teresa herself was most important. She felt a kin to her. She gaved her back everything she had lost and more. By her own words she stated she doesn't want anything but to be with Teresa forever.
For Teresa, it was being human. We can argue that can be true for most claymores but I think the difference here is. Teresa didn't just ment it only for herself since she was a claymore. What she ment was it was important, maybe most important thing for her entire existance was for not herself, but for Clare to be human.
We know the bonds between Clare and Teresa were so strong that Clare was willing to become the first Claymore volunteer herself to avenge Teresa, even though she knew of the pain and suffering Teresa must of endured in the process of becoming a Claymore and the horror of facing Priscilla again.
I will break down my reasoning to two folds, but it may be still confusing so please excuse me beforehand if I failed at explaning it.
If Clare became fully awaken and fought Priscilla as an AB, there would be two outcomes I can see. She gets killed by Priscilla anyway even as an AB or she kills Priscilla but lost all humanity in the process. Clare may be OK with ether outcome if it was entirely up to herself. However both of the outcome are unacceptable to Teresa, and we know Teresa ment everything to Clare. Teresa would not want Clare to be dead or to lose her humanity. She want her to live as a human, grow as a human and die of a human death.. Not as a monster.
I think once again, Irene said it best. "You staying alive is the only proof Teresa ever existed" ~ Ilena
By that, for Clare to be with Teresa or in her case now, have the spirit of Teresa with her for forever. She must live and not awaken because by becoming an AB, the memory of her most dear Teresa would be gone like she never existed. I also have to stress, by Teresa's memory; I didn't ment her memory as a Claymore, but the memory of her as being a person, or human. Clare was the only person that saw Teresa as a human and not a monster to be feared. Having Teresa's memory as a human being be lost or forgotten to Clare would be an unimaginable tragedy that dwarfs Teresa's physical death at the hand of Priscilla.
There is also one more thing, does Clare know? Doe she know that Teresa wanted most was for Clare to be human. I don't think Clare's knew, because if she did she would not have been so surprised when she failed to awaken. However I do think deep inside, her heart knows what her mind couldn't, and that was Teresa's wish for her to be human. After all, Clare carries a part of Teresa would her always.
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it might be Rafaela preventing it too...
what if Clare were to Awaken in Teresa's Awakened form... if the Destroyer is bad... imagine an Awakened (and uncontrolled) Teresa... goodbye universe!
if it was about Clare Awakening, than Clare would never have been able to Partially Awaken her first time against Rigardo, as remember that she couldn't de-Awaken, so if it were about preventing Clare from Awakening, than Clare would have been stopped from partially Awakening in the first place against Rigardo. It took Jean to de-Awaken Clare during the Rigardo incident, and so it is NOT about Clare Awakening
or, we can go even back further to the cathedral scene in the early manga, as wouldn't Teresa have prevented Clare from Awakening than, as if it wasn't for Raki, Clare was going to Awaken right then! But with raki's support/motivation, Clare was able to de-Awaken, becoming a HA instead of an Awakened.
and so, I think the key thing is that Clare STOPPED just an inch from Priscilla's head with her Huge Blade Arms. Now what or why this occured, is the big mystery...
Last edited by HegemonKhan; May 13, 2011 at 12:01 AM.
With her being fully awaken, her humanity goes out the window along with whatever of her human body. Thats why I think she can't awaken, whatever force in control simply won't let her lose her humanity, and I say that's because of Teresa's own wish for her.
I think my bigger question was. Why was Priscilla just standing there and not trying to dodge it. I think Priscilla was curious about Clare and letting her having the first shot. She knows the blades to the head would not be fatal to her most likely. Or this could be just something Yagi did to make it look dramatic and we're over reading it.
Last edited by Khorr; May 13, 2011 at 12:23 AM.
yes, I've wondered about that, as you'd think obliterating Priscilla's head would kill her (unless its a fake head of hers - having the same bodies as Riful, Agatha, and Ophelia), so why was Priscilla completely unphased by having Clare's Huge Blade Arms coming at her head and stopping just an inch short of it?
I'm also of the thought that Priscilla's whole body would have to be destroyed instantaneously for her to die. Though I guess one could wear down her yoki enough that she wouldn't be able to regenerate anymore then cut her head off, but that would probably take several days of fighting, so I'm for the former. Besides, the main character just so happens to have an ability which would allow her to do just that - Quicksword.
This prolly don't belong in this section, but i just started reading Claymore about a day and half ago and i am already at chapter 50.
I find it a very good manga so far and i will definitely be here posting soon
But it being a monthly manga is what makes it harder I just hope that i won't forget much of the story when i start following it monthly
...how is this thread so long? The chapter was practically filler. Guess that means you guys are rehashing, but I don't really feel like reading through all that. Guess my interest is fading now that the end is near and appears to be predictable.
Since I did read most of page eight, I'll respond to it, even though I feel like I've said this many times. The Jean mental block was a nonsense explanation that was used to misdirect the readers and help feed Clare's ignorance. Since Clare merged with and became the dominant consciousness of the merged abyssal, she couldn't awaken in the same sense that she might have before. That is, one can't really awaken and then awaken again, unless one completely returns during the process.
Finally, we will be seeing Teresa again (I think I also said this back when the revelation about the revival of rank ones was made). Yagi has pretty much turned awakened Priscilla into a symbol of infinite creation. Beyond absurd regeneration she's had against every enemy she's faced, her flesh has been used to revive dead claymores. Clare's most recent form represented infinite destruction. Put those two together, give them similar desires (bringing Teresa back), and you'll end up with wish fulfillment. Presumably, Clare would return to being human as a result of this...yay.
Welcome jorped to Claymore, glad you like it, but if you're only at ch 50, you still got the best yet to come, as you're not even done (or you just are) with the first half of the story (which was made into the anime).
The next 50-60 chapters will really take off Claymore, into epicness
the anime is actually quite well done too and mostly follows the ~50 chapters of the manga, except for the last ~4 episodes of the anime which completely diverges from the manga as they had to end/conclude the anime.
We're still waiting for a 2nd season of an anime of Claymore, but we just don't know if it will come out or not yet, at some point in the future.
aye, the monthly wait is bad, and with how deep and complex Claymore is, you will probably forget a lot of things, unless you're constantly debating the stuff, it's very easy to forget stuff, that at the time seems so clear and that you'll always remember or be aware of it, hehe. But, that can be corrected quickly enough, with posts, discussions, and debates
what made you start reading Claymore ?
was it the manga and/or anime awards that we had some time ago or you got interested in Claymore from another source?
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