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Team Krazy Kidz
Like I said, because of Wondy's childish look Ukitake wasn't expecting his attack. It was a surprise attack, not Wondy's amazing speed feat.
And of course Shunsui wanted revenge, it's kinda obvious reaction when your friend/ally is attacked.
Off-panel fights doesn't count, maybe Kensei had a sudden stomach problems.
I may be highly underestimating Wonderweiss, but you are highly overestimating him.
Anyway, just as swiftly as Hachi could deal with Hinamori, WW could deal with Hachi. And actually, regarding the Bakudo 63, seeing as how hollowfied Kensei was able to break out of one, I don't think it's outside the realm of reason to think that Wonderweiss could. We also don't know if he could just negate kidou, since plenty of people seem to think he negated HH, etc.
For the record, I thought it was more shockwave dissipation than anything else, but...who knows.
Shunsui and Ukitake were both surprised by WW speed and couldn't react.
And you avoided the part where he was exchanging blows with Yamamoto, he even got praised by him.
Last edited by Kugo Ginjo; March 12, 2011 at 11:14 AM.
We were outright told he could negate Ceros, and though we don't know how he did it, the same scream that negated that broke apart HH, so it's kinda up in the air whether it works on much else. Kido is questionable to say the least, so I wouldn't rely on it. The problem I'd have is 63 kind of doesn't stop him from unleashing his mass of extend-able, hyper fast, flexible, hidden, stretchy arms and laying waste to ANYTHING THAT GETS TOO DAMN CLOSE.
Which is both of them as neither has any decent ranged capabilities that I've seen.
No he couldn't. WW may have speedblitzed Juushirou, but Hachi is not an overrated, sick, weak captain that hasn't accomplished a damn thing in the manga. Hachi would fodderize Juushirou just as easily as WW did. WW tried the exact same sh*t on he did on Juushirou with Urahara Kisuke and Mashiro and failed miserably. Juushirou is just overrated because he's an older captain; even Mashiro—who I don't exactly hold in high regard by vaizard standards—performed way better than him.Quote:
It is when you consider Wonderwiess has not shown any type of raw-power that would suggest he can rip out of 60+ level bakudous from a skilled caster. We know that berserk hollow shinigami possess tremendous raw power; we saw the hollow Ichigo the vaizards fought in the barrier rip out of a Bakudou #75. In any case, even if WW does start to rip out, 63 apparently stacks with 61 (which DOES completely restrain movements by the way [including this kid's arms—though he'll be bound before he releases]; effectively "freezing" the target). Or Hachi can wait until he does break out and then hit him with #99.Quote:
You're the one killing me here. The only thing he can apparently negate are certain ceros and Yamamoto's flames. I couldn't care about less what people think (though actually, you're the first person I've heard suggest he can negate kidou), there is clearly far from enough affirmation to go around saying he'll be negating bakudous.Quote:
Do us a favor and stick to your first thoughts.Quote:
Last edited by El Samurai Guapo; March 12, 2011 at 02:34 PM.
You're being dense here, and I think it's on purpose. You have ZERO evidence of WW being unable to tell friend from foe, yet you bring that up as part of your argument?
Aizen programmed him to distinguish the difference between the dudes wearing arrancar outfits and everyone else? Don't create situations merely to suit your preferences. Fura doesn't have an arrancar outfit on, but we never saw him go attack Fura. You're just bending what happened in the manga to fit your initial opinion. Stick to what is shown in the manga and you'll have more people that believe you. You'd think you guys would have figured this out already based on the Hitsugaya vs. Yammy, Rose vs. Yammy, and Love vs. WW threads, but apparently, you didn't.
Ignoring your opinions on Ukitake, I already think Urahara has some of the best reflexes in the manga (although, didn't he take that initial Bala from WW from the front?), so that's irrelevant.Quote:
Furthermore, are you trying to suggest that Hacchi has similar reflexes to Urahara? I think that's...difficult to prove, to say the least.
Mashiro was already focused on fighting WW (didn't she initiate the fight between them?), so that situation is different as well.
Considering he dealt damage (albeit minimal) to someone that tanked a stab from Aizen, I think we can conclude WW has got good raw power. We've never seen an arrancar break out of a Bakudou with raw power (IIRC), but considering we've seen it done by the opposite side of the hybrid, I can't imagine it being impossible for WW to do. And again, if we look at it as WW having the ability to negate HH, RJ, and Ceros, it's not odd to think he could negate kidou.Quote:
Again, I'm not saying it's a fact that he can negate kidou, seeing as how we have no proof. But ceros and RJ are about as opposite as one can get, no? You're going from a Menos' special ability to the special ability of a Zanpaktou. Considering Kidou uses reiatsu as well...I again don't think it's a stretch to think he could negate kidou.Quote:
Wonderweiss speedblitz Hacchi and Ikkaku.
Whatever, I'm being dense because I believe there's the possibility that a character who we know for a fact lacks any sort of reasoning capabilities may attack its partner? Fura? Wasn't that thing its pet? I'm pretty sure hollows would be included in the list of things not to aggro anyway. In fact, that's probably the very reason Wonderwiess did not attack Mashiro right off the bat; she had her mask on and WW was probably confused as to whether or not she was a hollow. Only after he witnessed her destroy his pet did he try and shoot a cero at her. Guess who else has a hollow mask that would also be throwing WW for a loop once he puts it on? Yes, Hachi.Quote:
His reflexes don't need to be as good as Urahara's, it's not like WW will suddenly pop into this fight out of nowhere and try to backstab Hachi here like he did to Kisuke.Quote:
Yes precisely, if WW was unable to blitz Mashiro the entire time they fought, I don't see how Hachi would be. Hachi doesn't rely on his mask as much as she does either, so he would not be totally f*cked the moment it comes of like she was. Hachi will be focused on fighting WW here obviously, he definitely won't be taken by surprise.Quote:
I think even minimal is an exaggeration, considering he landed HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of punches on the old man who was totally unfazed by that attack. Yamamoto could have torn WW's arms off (the big ones that were holding him) at any moment and escaped from that attack if he actually felt threatened, but he obviously wasn't.Quote:
Problem is the arrancar have never displayed the same amount of raw power as shinigami in the midst of undergoing a hollow transformation. I've always held that shinigami -> hollow hybrids are superior anyway, as in general pure shinigami seem to be superior to pure hollows.Quote:
"You're just bending what happened in the manga to fit your initial opinion. Stick to what is shown in the manga and you'll have more people that believe you."Quote:
WW solos via a blitz.
So Krazy Kidz are going to lose because WW will attack his teammate, and Hachi is apparently immune to speedblitzes despite having no means of fighting in CQC at all?
Am I getting this right?
Jesus, here's a Zommari repeat.
How can you trash Ukitake for feats, yet say that Hachi will be able to handle an extremely fast opponent despite his only feat being up against a guy who just flat out didn't attack him for 10 minutes?
Really Takahashi? You have issues with my posts but not with any of these "WW blitzes them both" one liners?
#1 Because I don't think WW is "extremely fast," definitely not faster than respira.Originally Posted by Takahashi
There's no way WW is so quick that Hachi won't even have enough time to put a barrier up in front of himself. I also doubt Ikkaku would allow Wonderwiess to get passed him so easily.
How is this a Zommari repeat, Wonderwiess never even displayed the speed Zommari did. I also think Hachi's image makes people think his reaction time is slow. Just cause he's fat doesn't mean he's slow, this is bleach not the real world.
It's funny in any of these threads where you initially claim to be on the fence, you seem to always end up arguing the opposite side of whatever I happen to choose.
Last edited by El Samurai Guapo; March 12, 2011 at 06:38 PM.
Ukitake nor Shunsui got any time to do anything against WW, what makes you believe that Ikkaku or Hachigen can?
Zommari couldn't overwhelm Byakuya with his speed but WW beat Kensei, kept up with Yamamoto and blitzed Ukitake, he has better speed.
Last edited by Kugo Ginjo; March 12, 2011 at 06:46 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Do I support the speedblitz one liners? No. But at least it has far more evidence to back it up than "Yoroichi speedblitzes Byakuya".
You think Ikkaku could actually do anything to stop WW? He couldn't even beat sealed Po.
Last edited by Takahashi; March 12, 2011 at 06:58 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost