My vote would have to go with Yoruichi. Byakuya's first form Bankai seems pretty useless here in my opinion since I can see Yoruichi out run it or blow away all those petals with Shunko like how Ichigo did so. So Shukei Hakuteiken is probably the best option, but an IC Byakuya probably won't use it right off the bat, which means that I can see Yoruichi taking out Byakuya before he uses that stage. Anyways, if Byakuya does use Shukei Hakuteiken, then I'm not sure who would win since Yoruichi's Shunko has been portrayed pretty powerful too. Byakuya also has the Kidou option, but Yoruichi uses an ability called Hanki, which basically cancels out most Kidou abilities here. So with these reasons, I think the odds are against Byakuya here.
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Its pretty much what Uruhara does iwth attacks like bala, but Im not sure if even he can cancel out Byakuyas kido right off the bat, not to mention I think hes more skilled in that than Yoruichi...
What's with you people? This chick hasn't even shown any type of feats except for subduing her student Soi-Fon! Byakuya has 3 forms to his Bankai. Senkei is over for Yoruichi, I don't care how fast she is. He's just as fast when he uses her moves. The reason he DOESN'T is because SHE uses them. Dude made Zommari look like a snail. He didn't want to use her technique because of her arrogance. Byakuya is a prideful individual. He's not stuck up like some here think. If you really believe that Yoruichi will be able to beat him, you need to go back to when she was in SS and said NO ONE on the bridge could beat him.
Lets get onto the Ichigo fight. You really think he was at his full? He was fighting the guy protecting the 'pride' he wanted to protect. He even said this. There's nothing in my mind that Yoruichi would do that would be able to severly hurt Byakuya. He's much better than the last time she fought or sparred with him. He not only beat Zommari, but beat him with one foot and one arm. I guess to you guys, he's 'weak' and Yoruichi is so strong because she uses Hakuda. Byakuya is fluent in hand to hand combat as well. Obviously he would be training with her. If she really tries to fight Byakuya with her Shunko, she'll have to have it perfected. Has anyone even seen what it does? Has it ever been used to succession? I don't think so. Now look at Byakuya. Gokei will trap her and slice her to bits. If she uses Shunko, he can always use Senkei and surround here with multiple blades. What is she going to do then? If she somehow survives that or nullifies it, he still has Hakuteiken. It's over there. This isn't Ichigo who HAS TO survive in order for the story to progress. No 'will' is going to break his blade this time. There is no Rukia on his mind to confuse his allegiance. Byakuya takes this one. I've been waiting for this fight as well as the Shunsui/Gin battle.
Yoruichi takes this fight
Byakuya only kept up with a Rusty Yoruichi who'd also had to carry Ichigo on her shoulder, and once she used Utsusemi she apparently made him realize giving chase was futile, even though he himself had such a technique.
She becomes faster later in the manga, unless you'd want to believe that Hogyoku Aizen was only going about Byakuya speed with his attacks toward her, which she could dodge. So I think it's pretty clear she has the speed advantage
Shunko is going to really disrupt SBK, and she can move fast enough to outrun or attack fast enough to disperse it. She can also counter/negate Byakuya's own Kido using Hanki.
It'll come down to Byakuya realizing it's useless trying to chase her with petals and going Senkei (Assuming he's still alive at this point), which being as it is now a CQC fight, Yoruichi would come out on top as she's shown to be a superior close quarters combatant.
speed i still think yoruichi is fastest in Bleach so far kubo always tends to spend effort with her movement and her training byakuya when kid means she knows all his tricks and how to irritate him e.g in SS she mocked him he got annoyed.
power- she threw yammi with ONE hand again the fight she had with Aizen she not be ignored the damage he shell was taking stresses how dangerous her attacks are.
even then byakuya has the whole zan,kido, bankai to back him up....no clue on this one
also when did byakuya show that as you said Byakuya is fluent in hand to hand combat as well i don't remember seeing any pages where he used his hands
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Last edited by Omiem; March 08, 2011 at 06:32 AM.
I'd say that Yoruichi wins this.
Her speed and hakuda should be enough to take down Byakuya, especially if she gets those gauntlets.
And outside of that she has still Shunko.
EDIT: Also, another reason why it doesn't make sense if she was referring to herself is this. If Yoruichi wasn't in escape mode, then she most likely would've been able to kick Byakuya straight in the face or something since he kinda got blitzed. Yet, Yoruichi then goes on to say that she couldn't defeat Byakuya at that time. Yeah, I'm not buying it..
Last edited by Omiem; March 08, 2011 at 07:22 AM.
IMO it makes no sense that Yoruichi can defeat Byakuya's bankai with her bare hands, just relying on her shunkō. And it's kinda weird that the same people who argue that a captain's shikai (which defeated primera espada) can't defeat another captain's bankai, have no problem with arguing that a captain's bare hands (which has no feats other than defeating her old apprentice's shikai) can defeat another captain's bankai.
Byakuya is the strongest ever shinigami of the leading noble house. Even Yoruichi herself admitted in SS arc that she couldn't defeat Byakuya. I don't see Yoruichi dodging Byakuya's bankai petals forever (not to mention Senkei) and unfortunately it's very hard for her to hurt Byakuya (who is also a fast captain) with the techniques at her disposal (i.e. shunkō) while trying to avoid and bypass Byakuya's bankai.
Yoruichi is faster then Ichigo, she will beat the shit out of Byakuya.
Do you think that Byakuya with bankai would do the same damage, or even keep up with Condom Aizen?
He was dominating Byakuya until that happened.
Byakuya's bankai is too slow to hit Aizen and it didn't even kill Renji, unless you want to imply that Renji > Aizen.
Byakuya wont do shit to Aizen.
I don't think Yoruichi can escape Byakuya's bankai petals when he controls it using his hand:
And I don't think Yoruichi can do that without a sword:
IMO Yoruichi has no defense against Senkei or Gōkei at all:
Yoruichi will not be dodging Byakuya's bankai forever and when she eventually gets tired, she loses.
How do you know Byakuya tried to kill Renji? Byakuya's bankai made short work of defensive form of espada #7 who had hierro (and was much tougher than Renji).
A Yoruich with an intent to kill would've give Byakuya some punches to the face, the same punches that brought down an espada known for having the 2nd best hierro and great endurance.
And that Yoruichi was hardly trying, if you look back to the fight between Isshin, Yoruich and Urahara vs Aizen, then you see that Yoruichi is capable of doing more then what she did against Yammy, and don't tell me that it is all because those gauntlets, which is totally untrue.
How do I know?
...oh? You are still alive?
That alone should give it away.
Yeah and that same espada doesn't have any durability feats outside of that, Kenpachi was easily cutting Nnoitra who had the strongest hierro, so Byakuya's bankai is already inferior to Kenpachi's casual slashes.